Healthcare providers can both experience trauma while providing care and they can be exposed to secondary trauma, or hearing about the direct traumatic experiences of another person. In this episode, co-hosts Amy and Paul define primary and secondary trauma, common responses to trauma, and how colleagues and healthcare leaders can build support for clinicians that experience trauma while delivering care. Our clinician guest describes their experience with treating a complex medical presentation that led to a patient’s death and the impact that it had on him. 


Content notice: This episode includes a story of an anonymous patient’s critical illness and death. 


Our Hosts:

Amy Pearlman, MSW, LICSW 

Amy Pearlman is a quintessential social worker with a strong desire to improve healthcare outcomes. She believes that the best way to support the largest number of people is through engaging the community of providers and allies. She has transitioned between provider and payer settings over the course of her career to develop her clinical skills and maximize her empathy of provider experience, with the mission of aligning perspectives around a shared focus and goal to improve healthcare for individuals and families.  Her clinical expertise is in crisis intervention, community based care, and clinical program design.  Amy believes that healthcare is strongly tied to the health of care providers and is proud to support the healthcare system in this way.


Paul Deger, MA, LPC, PT

Paul Deger is a mindfulness-based intervention specialist. He has been in the healthcare delivery world for 35 years - first as a physical therapist, then as a licensed professional counselor. Paul has worked in a broad range of healthcare environments - inpatient, outpatient, ER and home-based. He also has served as a trainer for health care providers - covering clinical and self-care topics. Paul has seen - and experienced provider burnout - and has found sustainable ways forward. A life-long learner, he seeks out ways to exemplify being human and professional, accessing head and heart, balancing self-care and caring for others. To learn more about Paul, click here (mindfulnesstrainer.com/) .



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