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Genre: Education
Date of upload: Dec 19, 2023 ^^
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An unstructured conversation between great minds is a profound way to explore things. Although the three minds tend to move their comfort zones, I found it fascinating. I'm worried that this level of conversation is only for a (very) limited group of people, whereas this matters for all. I've learned a lot and will apply insights to my daily life. Thank you guys!
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๐ฏ Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 ๐ The discussion revolves around the Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis and potential responses.
01:18 ๐ The metacrisis is characterized by global risks and challenges, unprecedented in history, arising from technological advancements.
02:40 ๐ Powerful technologies like nuclear weapons, AI, synthetic biology, and global supply chains contribute to the metacrisis.
04:32 ๐ The polycrisis perspective emphasizes the interconnectedness of various issues, cautioning that solutions to one problem may exacerbate others.
05:30 ๐ The metacrisis is rooted in the unique ability of humans, driven by technology shaped by the human mind, to impact the environment on a global scale.
09:35 ๐ McGilchrist explores the left hemisphere's focus on abstraction and categorization vs. the right hemisphere's holistic, context-aware perception.
20:28 ๐ Schmachtenberger raises the question of why the emissary (left hemisphere) became dominant in global civilization relative to the master (right hemisphere).
24:58 ๐ The prevalence of zombies in culture symbolizes the meaning crisis, representing individuals living meaningless lives, disconnected and decayed.
27:39 ๐ง Positive responses to the meaning crisis include the mindfulness revolution, interest in ancient wisdom philosophies, and exploration of Asiatic philosophies that integrate knowledge and wisdom.
28:59 ๐ฎ Video games provide narrative, normative, nomological, and flow structures, offering insights into what's missing in real-world meaning.
31:12 ๐ง General intelligence reflects the ability to solve problems by having or becoming something, addressing two meta-problems: anticipation of the world and dealing with the explosion of information possibilities.
40:25 ๐ The discussion shifts to the etiology of ubiquitous meaninglessness, exploring the relationship between psychological phenomena and objective environmental challenges like nuclear risk, AI, and economic issues.
43:31 ๐ฏ The recovery of Neoplatonism, emphasizing polarity over poles, using the Greek word "tonos" for tension.
44:00 ๐งโโ Anxiety and depression are not the same; anxiety is not lateralized, while depression can be linked to unbalanced activity in specific brain regions.
52:11 ๐ Aspiration and rationality are intertwined; aspirational projects involve binding oneself to a future self through imagination.
56:26 ๐ Subjective-objective divide challenged; everything comes into being as a relation, emphasizing encounter, experience, love, and valuing.
01:00:58 ๐ Hierarchy of values from utility to the sacred; left hemisphere dominance tends to focus on utility, missing higher-level values.
01:15:42 ๐ Sociopathic defection, driven by short-term power goals, undermines the pursuit of collective well-being and meaningful life. Overcoming this requires fostering a sense of belonging to a just world and emphasizing values beyond immediate gain.
01:30:56 ๐ Religions, while embodying the sacred, often get corrupted by power-seeking individuals, leading to a mixed impact on civilization.
01:32:43 ๐ Despite challenges, there's hope in preserving cultural cognitive grammar and focusing on what remains across power shifts.
01:40:02 ๐ There's an ethical obligation for those valuing the sacred and wisdom to engage with power responsibly, preventing its misuse.
01:44:39 ๐ค Plato's seduction involves engaging the left hemisphere in arguments and discussions, using that process to draw attention to non-propositional elements and the importance of character development.
01:45:32 ๐ฌ Dialogical practices, resembling Platonic anamnesis, can lead to a sense of intimacy and connection with the collective "we" or the logos, prompting individuals to undergo a Platonic pivot.
01:46:54 ๐ค Logic's compulsory nature contrasts with the inability to compel wisdom and love, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability in pursuing these qualities.
02:00:38 ๐ The mixed bag nature of humanity, capable of both beautiful and horrific actions, is explored, with a focus on the vulnerability of our relationship to the sacred and the need for a fundamentally different approach to ethics and choice.
02:02:51 โ Increased coordination within in-groups, coupled with competition with out-groups, creates a challenging game theory, leading to potential conflicts in the use of technological power.
02:06:54 ๐ Exaptive solutions are necessary, repurposing past elements like religion, to address the unprecedented challenges posed by evolving technology and its potential misuse.
02:11:35 ๐ค Wisdom at the scale needed to prevent self-destruction requires rethinking the relationship between power, wisdom, and technology on a global scale.
02:15:13 ๐ Exapting elements from the past, such as Neoplatonism and Zen, could provide a deep grammar for large-scale reconceptions of fundamental human understanding.
02:28:37 ๐ Whiteheadian idea of creation: McGilchrist discusses a Whiteheadian idea where the divine Ground of Being is not passive but interacts with creation, suggesting that humans play a role in the ongoing evolution and fulfillment of the divine.
02:30:50 โ McGilchristโs Wager: McGilchrist proposes a concept similar to Pascal's Wager, suggesting that humans may play a role in the development and evolution of the divine, presenting an ennobling obligation to contribute positively to the world.
02:33:09 ๐ฑ Optimistic view of the cosmos: Despite skepticism, McGilchrist expresses an optimistic view of the cosmos, indicating that humans, through their relationships and actions, can bring hope and dignity to the human condition.
02:34:21 ๐ Global synthesis of wisdom: John Vervaeke proposes a global synthesis of wisdom, drawing from Neoplatonism, Kabbalah, Sufism, and Eastern philosophies, aiming for a pluralistic approach that enriches various religious and philosophical traditions.
02:43:11 ๐ง Hemispheric dominance and scaling: The discussion explores the connection between hemispheric dominance, scaling, and the challenges of addressing global issues without losing uniqueness and local instantiation.
02:44:54 ๐ Panentheism and reverence: McGilchrist expresses his panentheistic views, emphasizing the importance of seeing God in everything (panentheism) rather than God being everything (pantheism). This perspective fosters reverence and could potentially reduce conflicts between religious groups.
02:53:23 ๐ Emergence of a new religion: The discussion explores the idea of a "new religion" emerging, not necessarily to replace existing religions but to reify and reinterpret them in ways that address contemporary challenges such as ecological overshoot, planetary boundaries, and technological advancements.
02:58:03 ๐ค Reification of religions and philosophical traditions: The conversation touches on the reification of existing religions and the development of new philosophical traditions. It explores how these meta-dynamics can contribute to wisdom, ecological stewardship, and aligning human values with societal structures.
03:00:37 ๐ Institutions and wisdom development: Addressing the practical aspect, the discussion emphasizes the need to create ecologies of practices within communities before reforming education. This involves changing the lived normativity of cultures to avoid education reforms being co-opted by existing systems.
03:05:30 ๐ Education should encompass history, literature, philosophy, music, and culture, fostering creative, empathic understanding. The emphasis on IT and procedural learning should be balanced with a broader, more holistic approach.
03:08:45 ๐ค Synoptic integration: Advocating for individuals overseeing the whole picture, bridging gaps between disciplines, and recognizing the value of synoptic integrators alongside specialists in areas like cognitive science.
03:15:08 ๐ Orientation and agency: Encouraging a sense of hope, duty, and action. Emphasizing the duty to further larger causes and contribute in ways that align with personal strengths, advocating against despair.
03:16:57 ๐ Love of wisdom and being: Highlighting the real possibilities of falling in love with being, emphasizing the reciprocal opening of possibilities over the reciprocal narrowing associated with addiction. Plato's concept of anagoge is referenced.
03:17:53 ๐ Epistemic humility: Stressing the importance of holding mystery and the unknowable at the center, promoting an epistemic humility that comes from being open to both the overwhelming beauty and suffering present in reality.
03:19:12 ๐ Sacred obligation: Connecting the sense of sacred obligation to protecting reality with clear seeing, being moved by the beauty of reality, and fostering a protective impulse towards the
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This is a deeply meaningful dialogue between three wise men. Avatar 2 has approximately the same running time (192 minutes ) as this talk and after watching that film my mind was numb and dumb. This video, however, has had the opposite affect and now my mind is enlightened. Thank you for sharing. Peace.
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Very good conversation. Iโm glad these questions are being tackled. A few comments:
1- the problems Daniel posits are second order ones that are mostly being assessed through a utilitarian mind-set. The first order problems are that created by a techno-globalist managerial system which is disempowering people while incentivising the secondary order problems - some in reality but also some which are convenient falsies.
2- the problems we face are arguably a necessary part of our social evolution. We have had to learn through the inevitable mistakes and experiences in order to ascend.
3- Iโm glad it was eventually clarified that averting the problems we face will not be through educating the elite. It has to happen at a grass roots level. Only then will we demand a different governance - not the other way around.
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This is an extraordinarily accurate conversation pointing to the need for a spiritual re-awakening of what is called the perrenial wisdom. As a 4th Way seeker, i can affirm many correlates from personal experience regarding many of the "indications" presented and therefore can implore anyone who resonates with this conversation to seek out a true spirutual community. There are many and yet most operate under the radar. Gurdjieff groups connected with rhe students of the spiritual master can be found throughout the world. When i listen to Iain and John in particular i feel like im listening to an experienced 4th Way aspirant. Very encouraging to me.
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Hard times are coming, when weโll be wanting the voices of writers(/thinkers) who can see alternatives to how we live now, can see through our fear-stricken society and its obsessive technologies to other ways of being, and even imagine real grounds for hope. Weโll need writers(/thinkers) who can remember freedom โ poets, visionaries โ realists of a larger reality.
โ Ursula K. Le Guin
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@stephaniechambell1493
4 months ago
The internet is a crazy place. Where else can a high school drop out hair dresser, now a stay at home mom of 5 listen to a intellectual conversation like this, the best of humanity while at the same time itโs ruining us, social media poisoning our kids. Dividing us. Thank you for sharing this. God help us all. ๐
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