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The Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis: John Vervaeke Iain McGilchrist Daniel Schmachtenberger
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This is a conversation between Iain McGilchrist, John Vervaeke and Daniel Schmachtenberger, recorded at Merton College, Oxford, in September 2023. With no planned objective or agenda, the discussion sought to outline the cognitive and spiritual components of the metacrisis. The metacrisis is the total ecosystem of all global crises and the common underlying dynamics that generate catastrophic and existential risks.

This is neither a comprehensive theory of the topic, nor an approach to addressing it. The conversation was simply an opportunity to explore in real time how the speakers, with their different worldviews and pre-existing frameworks, would approach this deep and challenging domain. As Iain, John and Daniel all happened to be in Oxford with availability on a single afternoon, they had not discussed or prepared the approach at any significant length in advance. As a result, a shared understanding emerges only towards the very end of the film. The content is incomplete and partial, and should be viewed as a potential entry point to a far deeper conversation (which may or may not be recorded at a later date). A complete transcript can be found here:

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Meaningful communication between two large bodies of work can take time, and becomes exponentially harder with three. This inherent challenge was understood in advance, but given the fundamental multipolarity of the dynamics of the metacrisis itself, it felt like a challenge worth accepting.

00:00 Introduction
08:26 McGilchristโ€™s Opening Thoughts
21:21 Vervaekeโ€™s Opening Thoughts
40:41 Distinctions for an Ontology of a Meaningful Universe
1:08:15 The Challenges of Binding Power with Wisdom
1:57:49 Can we Imagine a Civilization with the Wisdom to Steward Exponential Power?
02:39:04 The Problem of Scale
2:59:00 Reimagining Education for the Cultivation of Wisdom
3:14:23 Closing Thoughts

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@stephaniechambell1493

4 months ago

The internet is a crazy place. Where else can a high school drop out hair dresser, now a stay at home mom of 5 listen to a intellectual conversation like this, the best of humanity while at the same time itโ€™s ruining us, social media poisoning our kids. Dividing us. Thank you for sharing this. God help us all. ๐Ÿ™

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@wolfie71231

4 months ago

Dr. McGilchrist will be remembered as the most important intellectual of our era, in my belief. I've not heard anyone else speak with such diagnostic clarity as to the symptoms and issues which plague our time. The insights he sets forth are paradigm-altering. He deserves a bigger platform.

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@drew1771

4 months ago

This is the type of discussion we should see among politicians running for office.

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@tinamelaku5267

4 months ago

A conversation I recommend to everyone. We are the luckiest generation we are getting this kind of quality conversations for free at the palms of our hands.

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@vroomik

4 months ago

when people talk about systems instead of enemies , you know you are on the right channel

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@davidhill2507

3 months ago

I wish this kind of conversation and intellectual thinkers were more common.

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@teacake4922

4 months ago

I am half way through reading The Master and his Emissary. I read it with a sense of huge relief. Feels like Dr.McGilchrist has articulated many things I was thinking but couldn't find the words for. Brilliant and important work.

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@hugosliitz

3 months ago

Please, please, you must continue this dialogue. The world needs it. Thank you.

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@paulepping6135

2 months ago

An unstructured conversation between great minds is a profound way to explore things. Although the three minds tend to move their comfort zones, I found it fascinating. I'm worried that this level of conversation is only for a (very) limited group of people, whereas this matters for all. I've learned a lot and will apply insights to my daily life. Thank you guys!

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@MichaelHrostoskiCreates

4 months ago

๐ŸŽฏ Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 ๐ŸŒ The discussion revolves around the Psychological Drivers of the Metacrisis and potential responses. 01:18 ๐ŸŒ The metacrisis is characterized by global risks and challenges, unprecedented in history, arising from technological advancements. 02:40 ๐Ÿš€ Powerful technologies like nuclear weapons, AI, synthetic biology, and global supply chains contribute to the metacrisis. 04:32 ๐Ÿ”„ The polycrisis perspective emphasizes the interconnectedness of various issues, cautioning that solutions to one problem may exacerbate others. 05:30 ๐ŸŒ The metacrisis is rooted in the unique ability of humans, driven by technology shaped by the human mind, to impact the environment on a global scale. 09:35 ๐Ÿ” McGilchrist explores the left hemisphere's focus on abstraction and categorization vs. the right hemisphere's holistic, context-aware perception. 20:28 ๐ŸŒ Schmachtenberger raises the question of why the emissary (left hemisphere) became dominant in global civilization relative to the master (right hemisphere). 24:58 ๐Ÿ’€ The prevalence of zombies in culture symbolizes the meaning crisis, representing individuals living meaningless lives, disconnected and decayed. 27:39 ๐Ÿง˜ Positive responses to the meaning crisis include the mindfulness revolution, interest in ancient wisdom philosophies, and exploration of Asiatic philosophies that integrate knowledge and wisdom. 28:59 ๐ŸŽฎ Video games provide narrative, normative, nomological, and flow structures, offering insights into what's missing in real-world meaning. 31:12 ๐Ÿง  General intelligence reflects the ability to solve problems by having or becoming something, addressing two meta-problems: anticipation of the world and dealing with the explosion of information possibilities. 40:25 ๐Ÿ”„ The discussion shifts to the etiology of ubiquitous meaninglessness, exploring the relationship between psychological phenomena and objective environmental challenges like nuclear risk, AI, and economic issues. 43:31 ๐ŸŽฏ The recovery of Neoplatonism, emphasizing polarity over poles, using the Greek word "tonos" for tension. 44:00 ๐Ÿง˜โ€โ™‚ Anxiety and depression are not the same; anxiety is not lateralized, while depression can be linked to unbalanced activity in specific brain regions. 52:11 ๐Ÿš€ Aspiration and rationality are intertwined; aspirational projects involve binding oneself to a future self through imagination. 56:26 ๐ŸŒ Subjective-objective divide challenged; everything comes into being as a relation, emphasizing encounter, experience, love, and valuing. 01:00:58 ๐ŸŒˆ Hierarchy of values from utility to the sacred; left hemisphere dominance tends to focus on utility, missing higher-level values. 01:15:42 ๐Ÿ”€ Sociopathic defection, driven by short-term power goals, undermines the pursuit of collective well-being and meaningful life. Overcoming this requires fostering a sense of belonging to a just world and emphasizing values beyond immediate gain. 01:30:56 ๐Ÿ”„ Religions, while embodying the sacred, often get corrupted by power-seeking individuals, leading to a mixed impact on civilization. 01:32:43 ๐Ÿ”„ Despite challenges, there's hope in preserving cultural cognitive grammar and focusing on what remains across power shifts. 01:40:02 ๐Ÿ”„ There's an ethical obligation for those valuing the sacred and wisdom to engage with power responsibly, preventing its misuse. 01:44:39 ๐Ÿค” Plato's seduction involves engaging the left hemisphere in arguments and discussions, using that process to draw attention to non-propositional elements and the importance of character development. 01:45:32 ๐Ÿ’ฌ Dialogical practices, resembling Platonic anamnesis, can lead to a sense of intimacy and connection with the collective "we" or the logos, prompting individuals to undergo a Platonic pivot. 01:46:54 ๐Ÿค– Logic's compulsory nature contrasts with the inability to compel wisdom and love, emphasizing the importance of vulnerability in pursuing these qualities. 02:00:38 ๐Ÿ”„ The mixed bag nature of humanity, capable of both beautiful and horrific actions, is explored, with a focus on the vulnerability of our relationship to the sacred and the need for a fundamentally different approach to ethics and choice. 02:02:51 โš– Increased coordination within in-groups, coupled with competition with out-groups, creates a challenging game theory, leading to potential conflicts in the use of technological power. 02:06:54 ๐Ÿ”„ Exaptive solutions are necessary, repurposing past elements like religion, to address the unprecedented challenges posed by evolving technology and its potential misuse. 02:11:35 ๐Ÿค Wisdom at the scale needed to prevent self-destruction requires rethinking the relationship between power, wisdom, and technology on a global scale. 02:15:13 ๐Ÿ”„ Exapting elements from the past, such as Neoplatonism and Zen, could provide a deep grammar for large-scale reconceptions of fundamental human understanding. 02:28:37 ๐ŸŒŒ Whiteheadian idea of creation: McGilchrist discusses a Whiteheadian idea where the divine Ground of Being is not passive but interacts with creation, suggesting that humans play a role in the ongoing evolution and fulfillment of the divine. 02:30:50 โš– McGilchristโ€™s Wager: McGilchrist proposes a concept similar to Pascal's Wager, suggesting that humans may play a role in the development and evolution of the divine, presenting an ennobling obligation to contribute positively to the world. 02:33:09 ๐ŸŒฑ Optimistic view of the cosmos: Despite skepticism, McGilchrist expresses an optimistic view of the cosmos, indicating that humans, through their relationships and actions, can bring hope and dignity to the human condition. 02:34:21 ๐ŸŒ Global synthesis of wisdom: John Vervaeke proposes a global synthesis of wisdom, drawing from Neoplatonism, Kabbalah, Sufism, and Eastern philosophies, aiming for a pluralistic approach that enriches various religious and philosophical traditions. 02:43:11 ๐Ÿง  Hemispheric dominance and scaling: The discussion explores the connection between hemispheric dominance, scaling, and the challenges of addressing global issues without losing uniqueness and local instantiation. 02:44:54 ๐ŸŒ Panentheism and reverence: McGilchrist expresses his panentheistic views, emphasizing the importance of seeing God in everything (panentheism) rather than God being everything (pantheism). This perspective fosters reverence and could potentially reduce conflicts between religious groups. 02:53:23 ๐ŸŒ Emergence of a new religion: The discussion explores the idea of a "new religion" emerging, not necessarily to replace existing religions but to reify and reinterpret them in ways that address contemporary challenges such as ecological overshoot, planetary boundaries, and technological advancements. 02:58:03 ๐Ÿค” Reification of religions and philosophical traditions: The conversation touches on the reification of existing religions and the development of new philosophical traditions. It explores how these meta-dynamics can contribute to wisdom, ecological stewardship, and aligning human values with societal structures. 03:00:37 ๐Ÿ› Institutions and wisdom development: Addressing the practical aspect, the discussion emphasizes the need to create ecologies of practices within communities before reforming education. This involves changing the lived normativity of cultures to avoid education reforms being co-opted by existing systems. 03:05:30 ๐ŸŒ Education should encompass history, literature, philosophy, music, and culture, fostering creative, empathic understanding. The emphasis on IT and procedural learning should be balanced with a broader, more holistic approach. 03:08:45 ๐Ÿค Synoptic integration: Advocating for individuals overseeing the whole picture, bridging gaps between disciplines, and recognizing the value of synoptic integrators alongside specialists in areas like cognitive science. 03:15:08 ๐ŸŒ Orientation and agency: Encouraging a sense of hope, duty, and action. Emphasizing the duty to further larger causes and contribute in ways that align with personal strengths, advocating against despair. 03:16:57 ๐Ÿ’– Love of wisdom and being: Highlighting the real possibilities of falling in love with being, emphasizing the reciprocal opening of possibilities over the reciprocal narrowing associated with addiction. Plato's concept of anagoge is referenced. 03:17:53 ๐ŸŒŒ Epistemic humility: Stressing the importance of holding mystery and the unknowable at the center, promoting an epistemic humility that comes from being open to both the overwhelming beauty and suffering present in reality. 03:19:12 ๐ŸŒŸ Sacred obligation: Connecting the sense of sacred obligation to protecting reality with clear seeing, being moved by the beauty of reality, and fostering a protective impulse towards the

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@mookieboobm

4 months ago

This is a conversation Iโ€™ve been waiting three years for. Three of the most forward-thinking, influential, thought leaders of our time.

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@charlottebloebaum5719

4 months ago

Thank you I feel like the mom with 5 kids - where can an 81 year old granny who has studied these things for years find them all consolidated like this. This is how technology should be used to help us evolve!

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@PRAR1966

4 months ago

This is one of the finest conversations I've seen on this platform. Thank you.

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@andydufresne299

4 months ago

This is a deeply meaningful dialogue between three wise men. Avatar 2 has approximately the same running time (192 minutes ) as this talk and after watching that film my mind was numb and dumb. This video, however, has had the opposite affect and now my mind is enlightened. Thank you for sharing. Peace.

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@consciousexplorer8118

4 months ago

Very good conversation. Iโ€™m glad these questions are being tackled. A few comments: 1- the problems Daniel posits are second order ones that are mostly being assessed through a utilitarian mind-set. The first order problems are that created by a techno-globalist managerial system which is disempowering people while incentivising the secondary order problems - some in reality but also some which are convenient falsies. 2- the problems we face are arguably a necessary part of our social evolution. We have had to learn through the inevitable mistakes and experiences in order to ascend. 3- Iโ€™m glad it was eventually clarified that averting the problems we face will not be through educating the elite. It has to happen at a grass roots level. Only then will we demand a different governance - not the other way around.

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@D.E.Saccone-no4og

4 months ago

Magnificent, i was so delighted how thoroughly you all addressed perhaps the most primary and problematic aspects of the current human condition: Power and Love....or power without love....

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@Melganor

4 months ago

This is so good, I need ten more hours and a hundred more after! thank you for this!

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@JohnAllenWatts

4 months ago

This is an extraordinarily accurate conversation pointing to the need for a spiritual re-awakening of what is called the perrenial wisdom. As a 4th Way seeker, i can affirm many correlates from personal experience regarding many of the "indications" presented and therefore can implore anyone who resonates with this conversation to seek out a true spirutual community. There are many and yet most operate under the radar. Gurdjieff groups connected with rhe students of the spiritual master can be found throughout the world. When i listen to Iain and John in particular i feel like im listening to an experienced 4th Way aspirant. Very encouraging to me.

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@ximono

4 months ago

Hard times are coming, when weโ€™ll be wanting the voices of writers(/thinkers) who can see alternatives to how we live now, can see through our fear-stricken society and its obsessive technologies to other ways of being, and even imagine real grounds for hope. Weโ€™ll need writers(/thinkers) who can remember freedom โ€“ poets, visionaries โ€“ realists of a larger reality. โ€” Ursula K. Le Guin

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@driggerfireon5760

4 months ago

Evolved minds. These guys before any dressed up guru. Incredible ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿป

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