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How to Teach Prayer: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 80
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Prayer, alongside meditation, is an integral part of religious traditions. God can be prayed to but also saints and angels. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert and Mark ask whether and why prayer is not widely discussed, how prayer can be practiced, and what prayer might be. They share personal practices of prayer and explore the agency of angels and saints. They ask about the entities that people report encountering when using psychedelics, alongside other questions such as how to pray for people and what can be expected from prayer. The desire to pray seems to be an almost universal human impulse. Much more might be made of it.

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Dr Mark Vernon is a writer and psychotherapist. He contributes to programmes on the radio, writes and reviews for newspapers and magazines, gives talks and podcasts. His books have covered themes including friendship and God, ancient Greek philosophy and wellbeing. His new book, out August 2019, is "A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling and the Evolution of Consciousness". He has a PhD in ancient Greek philosophy, and other degrees in physics and in theology, and works as a psychotherapist in private practice. He used to be an Anglican priest.

Mark's latest book is...
A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling, and the Evolution of Consciousness
www.markvernon.com/books/a-secret-history-of-chris…

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Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.

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@grantsmythe8625

9 months ago

It can be disheartening to see how many people are willing to abandon their basic humanity in favor of so-called "critical thinking" and logic, which they seldom if ever use. Emotions, however, are the engine of life. Love, hate, boredom, courage, fear, longing, joy, happiness, despair, desire, hope....these are human and are at the center of our being and, as Jung says about God, "Summoned or not, God will be present." So too with emotions, summoned or not, they will be present because we are human.

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@reidspeed77

9 months ago

First time my mortality was seriously threatened 20yrs middle east, I instantly went into, yay through I walk through the valley ..I was amazed how quickly this agnostic yielded to the almighty...

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@stellapap2087

8 months ago

We admire and love you mr.Sheldrake

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@jdwcreate

8 months ago

This may have already been mentioned but this conversation reminded me of the saying ‘Prayer is talking to God. Meditation is listening for the answer.’

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@amanitamuscaria7500

9 months ago

I meditate, chant and pray. One of my mantras is Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me....or whoever I'm worried about. My family and I have always prayed to St Anthony, for lost things. I do not pretend to know how this works, but it does; sometimes in the most extraordinary ways. I pray to the Divine Mother, in all her guises. And the Archangels are very good for protection. And St Francis for animals. And my guides for advice. I would say, I close my eyes, calm my mind and have a conversation with them, holding the person or thing I want to pray for, in my mind. When I'm upset or frightened, the 23rd psalm. We all learnt this and the Lord's Prayer, as well as many hymns at school, but they don't anymore. I would say that an attitude of humility, gratitude and surrender are important. Great conversation. thank you both.

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@elizabethpetersen7635

9 months ago

Psalm 42 has always been my favorite: 1 As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, my God. 2 My soul thirsts for God, for the living God. When can I go and meet with God? As a child, my family prayed at bedtime. My brother-in-law would pray for angels to be stationed at each corner of my bed. My husband and I have prayed with our son at bedtime for 14 years now. We pray the Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be, guardian angel and St Michael prayers. We also pray for the souls of the dead when we pass a cemetery and pray for those who are injured (and their caregivers) when we pass an accident. Also, we try to cultivate thankfulness. We say thanks to our guardian angels, even for a good parking place; bc every good gift, howsoever small, has its source in God. As a convert, I found the Br. Lawrence’s “Practice of the Presence of God” furthered anchored my prayer life. Finally, when hurting, I “offer up” my pain to be mysteriously joined to Christ’s passion. This brings in the concept of the redemptive value of suffering. So, whether a person is healed or not via prayer, that person can thereby give meaning/value to the suffering.

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@user-bt6tl7xr5c

1 month ago

I’m so thankful that the 3 aspects of God were addressed

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@jamesboswell9324

8 months ago

I can vividly recall how at the end of each morning assembly in primary school we were all told to bow our heads and mumble the Lord's Prayer, and how it all made literally zero sense to me. In fact like much we did at school it was very off-putting in countless ways. On the other hand, when as a teenager and I went on a fortnight exchange trip to Austria, I came across a little religious ritual that did chime with me. The family I stayed with were not especially religious, except that every evening when we sat down to eat together, we routinely held hands to complete a ring around the table, and then said a very concise form of grace, "gesegnete Mahlzeit", which literally means "blessed mealtime". I didn't actually know what I was saying at all - a bit like mumbling the Lord's Prayer at school - but in spite of the language gap it did make perfect sense in lots of ways. For one thing our little prayer briefly connected us as a social group and put us, if momentarily, on equal footing - adults and children speaking softly in union. And showing humble gratitude for something we were all about to share in felt appropriate and was strangely delightful. Very different from just plonking yourself down in front of the telly! (Which is generally how I still eat my meals today, by the way.)

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@annprehn

9 months ago

The ancestors are also under employed. I do feel family that's passed on still doing favors for me. It makes me feel a bit guilty because surely there must be other things to do in Heaven or reincarnation opportunities. But it is really appreciated. I normally don't need to pray but just to notice when unlikely synchronicities or coincidences benefit me.

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@161157gor

8 months ago

An Attitude of Gratitude & Humility… 🙏

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@notreally2406

8 months ago

Prayer is simple and easy for everyone. Get on your hands and knees and talk to God with sincerity.

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@sns8420

9 months ago

Harold: Do you pray? Maude: Pray? No. I communicate. Harold: With God? Maude: With LIFE

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@user-bt6tl7xr5c

1 month ago

Thank Heavens he finally said it that we don’t die

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@christopher_ecclestone

6 months ago

As a recovering Atheist/Nihilist, new to Christianity, the way I started praying was by saying what I was grateful for. I think gratitude is a good antidote to Nihilism and depression. When I was at my lowest, I believe that forcing myself to think of things to be thankful for was incredibly helpful. I think it gave my brain some relief from the negativity. And when something important is happening in my life, I also ask for guidance with that. I do it last thing before bed and, if nothing else, it stopped my nightmares and anxiety dreams. I think at the very least it somehow helps order your thoughts. But being grateful is the one thing I would recommend to start with. As W.H. Auden said: "Let all your last thinks be thanks."

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@hvalenti

8 months ago

Prayer is an exotic practice in my circle of friends, except for me. I learned most of my meditation practice from Sam Harris' app, which was the beginning of my evolution from atheist to believer. The universe likes its ironies.

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@cindyoverall8139

9 months ago

This called “ Centering Prayer” that was brought to the forefront by Fr. Thomas Keating. It was discovered from a book called “ The Cloud of Unknowing” by an unknown author , I believe from 12c. Fr. Keating has written many books on this subject. He was a true saint.

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@bunglenzippy

8 months ago

Dear God, Guide, heal, support, and protect against all who oppose bringing forward the truth of the divine.Bring healing for the darkness in all its forms, to raise up the perpetrators so they stand down and free the tormented. Amen

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@lunkerjunkie

9 months ago

I learned real prayer when I followed this advice: pray until you run out of words, then go ten more minutes.

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@oscargustaverejlander.

8 months ago

Prayer and meditation are great practices that work very well in tandem. For secular people trying to escape or detach from their thoughts by meditating, they're missing a valuable practice. Prayer increases the quality of your thoughts and helps to humble your ego.

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@alexcaskie6054

8 months ago

The spirit of giving, God is Love. The Buddha said; "if you wanna be happy, ya gotta give some happiness away". The Saint Francis prayer is a nice way of establishing the intentions of prayer. Praying only for knowledge and power.

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