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Why it Matters: Feminism Hasn't Happened Yet
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6,298 Views • May 15, 2022 • Click to toggle off description
In this instalment of the Why it Matters series, we are going to be reflecting on the recent video on the distinction between Womanism and Feminism. The main things I explore in this episode are my recent discovery (thanks to a couple of commenters) of a movement out there already called Womanism which has some overlap with (rather confusingly) what I call Feminism.
The second element we'll be exploring is the idea that the Feminine has already begun to be a major player in the cultural transformation and in many ways has the upper hand (thanks to Aaron Latif for expressing this point so well in a comment on the previous video).
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00:00 Introduction
03:09 Alice Walker's Womanism
09:56 Feminism Dominating the Cultural Space?
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@TheLivingPhilosophy

1 year ago

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@markdpricemusic1574

1 year ago

Courageous and interesting presentation, many thanks. Areas like this are always guaranteed to properly upset somebody... because there is almost zero agreement on even the basic terms and what counts as 'the relevant facts'. Its a Scylla/ Charibdis situation. Thanks to the limitiations of language, the singular form of words like 'feminism' etc create the illusion that there is a list of beliefs and evaluations which a bunch of VERY disparate 'feminist' people sign up to! A bit like saying Samoans, Australian Aborigines, and Kenyans are all ''black people' so they share a lot of culture ... or those guys from Antrim with the bowler hats and those guys from Newry with the green bonnets are all equally ''the Irish'', and they all like hats, so they're bound to be on the same frequency. Language almost always defaults to over-simplification - which is why we need poets and philosphers to freshen it up regularly. It is inevitable we'll put our foot in our mouths, but it's better than not talking about or thinking about the big problems. Well done Sir for having a brave go! M :)

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@secondchance598

1 year ago

I would LOVE if you could do I deep dive into Blackpill ideas and the psychology of the incel community. I’ve been doing my own research on it trying to understand it’s arguments impartially. Many other YouTubers have done their own “analysis’”, but in my opinion lack depth because they are riddled with condescension. The stigma of the incel community has made it difficult to take the Blackpill philosophically seriously, but I do think there are some great arguments and perspectives that could only have originated from the margins of society. Blackpill content is becoming evermore popular on YouTube, so I feel its imperative that it be addressed seriously. At the very least as an attempt to combat the more extremist and dangerous ideas it’s propagating.

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@vashposh

1 year ago

you’re doing a great job, Alice walker is a interesting character very ambitious thinker, writer and theorist. she has fallen short quite a few but her fame in the community means her blunders have been published lol. that last part is just my payback for reading a hefty and terrible book she wrote years ago it still haunts me 😂.

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@aaronlatif52

1 year ago

Its cool to see the mention, I never thought I'd hear my name on YouTube. Honestly I was a little nervous to write the first comment. I was involved in Reddit a decent amount probably 5-10 years ago but eventually the culture there shifted to being more ideologically combative and hive minded rather then explorative and open minded (but still biased). So Im hesitant to want to engage online. I typically think and speak much clearer when Im in the practice of writing and online provides feedback to push back and expose myself to my weaknesses, lack of understanding, and my own ideological capture. --- I dont know if this is a change in position exactly, but thinking about it more - I think there is more room for stewardship in business and politics even if I think fundamentally masculine traits are selected like assertiveness and competitiveness because without those how do your ideas influence anything. I think its because I noticed my empathy was in opposition to those traits in the past, but really its because I had no empathy towards myself and demanded perfection and keeping everyone around me happy. Empathy and stewrdship could be included in masculinity but I was blinded as empathy lead me to bad outcomes so emotionally I probably have too much protections to going down the empathetic rabbit hole. Like it got so bad I could feel the fear in squirrels and rabbits and be put in a bad mood going for walks. Quick summary of my development was I was stunted emotionally till about 12, became too masculine till like 17, became too empathetic til like 25ish, and have been working on reincorporating empathy and selfishness and accepting that it wont be perfect and thats okay but accepting the desire/anxiousness of survival/thriving/self improvement. (I grew up being bullied by the father figure and household in general; the female figure was a narcissist that was never in the wrong who had to always be pleased and had limited patience so I was trained to stop whatever I was doing to immediately do what was asked) So I saw empathy and masculine traits as more of opposites but as point out by someone in the comment section, the masculine is not devoid of empathy, sympathy, compassion, and other traits (the good king/father archetype). --- So I think culturally we swung too much demonizing masculine competitiveness and praising agreeableness and empathy. I think as people die off the cultural shift will enter the workplace and politics some more but I also think the younger generations are still battling these thoughts themselves and will shift more unpredictably then the optimists think. I think we are heavier on ideas then practice so learning that not all our ideas are perfect will continue to shift our thoughts on what should or shouldn't be. I dont know where it will land but I keep seeing the theme of becoming our fathers/parents everywhere and people realising its harder to practice their ideology especially when raising kids. Im in a rush so couldnt proofread too much and g2g.

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@renaissancefairyowldemon7686

1 year ago

Thank for very enlightening video. We all here to learn and grow with each other. I was wondering where you this week, I thought you drop videos on Saturday. 💞💯

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@ahobimo732

1 year ago

One recent significant cultural development is the undermining of the binary of masculine / feminine. Particularly in the transgender movement (but also within modern feminism and the LGBT+ movement in general), there is a LOT of pushback against the idea that masculine and feminine are legitimate essential qualities that can be described. And conversely, the recent right-wing documentary "What is a woman" has used this "gender essentialism" angle to attack the trans movement. So the very idea that "womanism" and "feminism" can even be separated in the way you did in your earlier video is a very controversial issue at the moment. Personally, I think that these concepts are too psychologically important for us to simply throw them away, but I recognize that they come with a lot of complex baggage that we need to address if we're going to salvage them from their problematic historical context.

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@tarkaigermein233

1 year ago

Many of the ideas you talked about in your last video and this video sounded familiar to me because Bell Hooks' book the will to change men, masculinity, and love talks about a few of the same ideas. I would be interested to know if you have or haven’t read the book? and your opinion of her ideas?

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@denniscash4072

1 year ago

Thank you for what you do; you do it well.

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@khanmichalson6915

1 year ago

I remember asking you to do a video on how we could integrate the real feminism u talked about moving forward but now also after reading ur discussion with Aaron latif I find that comment was kinda dumb n naive... lemme try n explain... I've seen how u discuss daoism n I believe ur perspective on it is kinda naive too... as a person who used to b a daoist(just by listening to the dao de jing for over 5 years rather than reading it )it got me thinking along daoist lines so lemme try n explain... the main view of daoism is through the yin yang symbol which is basically duality... yin is the receptive part of the universe (dark fluid n ever changing ) while yang is the active part(bright solid n never changing )... duality is an imortal concept which is beautifully explained by rava the spirit in the legend of kora... basically they r complementary forces as one gives rise to the other viewed from a perspective of cycles like the season... in this perspective we r basically manifestations of it not the other way round... duality exists n will always exist regardless of humans... in this sense... since the rise of agriculture its been yang being the dominant force in humans... given time yin arises by itself hence the change Aaron described... this change arises naturally n has been so since the dawn of time n so one doesn't have to worry about enacting it... but listening to other teachers(spiritual mainly) n reading other philosophies one can take it further it further n agree humans have the ability to go beyond it by force of will n use duality to their advantage than just being pawns or fully n happily embrace(embrace being a pawn) this great cycle but that ability has to b cultivated to the point its an automatic part of an individual hence the stressing by the writer of the book on meditation in silence to become the dao n go beyond existing n non existing by fully embracing it (which is in known in daoism as the water method)... as in existing, n non existing r natural cycles of the universe... one time it will exist n another it wont so one should not cling to either but enjoy the cycles conciously n use them to their advantage as required by the moment as we r the part of the universe blessed by it enough to willfully do so... just like u... u use fire n water(yang n yin) to ur advantage... u make a video based on an understanding of ur own n post it which is fire or male(active) in u but crowd source knowledge in the form of feedback(as naturally somebody just has something to say bout ur video) which changes ur perception just as u changed the perception of ur viewers in the beginning (me in particular ) which is yin or the female(receptive ) aspect of u... humans just as everything in the universe have both seeds in them the only difference is we can willfully or conciously use these aspects which most other aspects of the universe can't according to my current knowledge (meaning viewing ourselves as free will beings with no solid evidence of other Creatures in existence who can do the same)... I know both chauvinism n feminism r alive n well in both men n women n if we could only look within ourselves n know when to b assertive or yield all things will naturally exist harmoniously... now duality is not the only view as there is nothingness, singularity, trinity, on n on which is the main reason I left daoism as I personally found it very hard to exist in dualistic nature as my nature agrees to something else but the journey is what revealed this that's why I have great respect for this philosophy for pointing me in the right direction... but all in all ur last videos was the greatest thing (ur discussion with Aaron included) as it combined dots in my head that I never was conscious of the existence of their combinations n helped me see things from a whole different perspective... n 4 that I'm forever grateful

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@johnforde7735

1 year ago

The word "Intersectionality" is such a cop out. All it means is that when you analyse data, you have to be aware of all the variables it contains and that you need to base conclusions based on that. It isn't a thing by itself. It just means that people of one group can also be people of another group. The people that defined the term seem like they don't understand mathematics or statistics.

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@johnforde7735

1 year ago

You seem to be confining yourself to the US.

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@purplishtouch1166

1 year ago

You're doing great 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 keep going

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@johnforde7735

1 year ago

About masculinity, I don't buy the red knight / white knight theory, but I do believe that women can sense what they want in a man. And if you don't look like you can provide what they want, then you don't connect. There are many exceptions, of course.

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@sr.cosmos4543

1 year ago

You should have a talk with Keith Woods!

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@jonathanhijlkema8247

1 year ago

I honestly tought the video was great. It perfectly pointed out the problems with our culture and feminism at this moment imo. In my own country, there was a slight chance of a woman becoming the political leader. And however great that would have been for representation, a first time female leader, she lacked all the female traits that are so sorely lacking in politics. And that would have just added to the problem with politics and our dominant culture and the values it puts on a pedestal, and that females would need to cultivate if they want to suceed. Namely the masculine traits, which imo are not suited well on their own for politics and a healthy society. And when I say masculine traits, I mean the traits that are more related to the male hormone. And I'm no expert on this, but I think egotism, aggression, strong individuality and such traits are mostly related to testosterone. And these traits sure are great for certain endeavors, but are not well suited for leading a society to a healthy future on their own. They need to be balanced out to create a healthy society that looks after its people and the future, and not just short term political succes of the individual politician. The feminine traits are much more suited for cultivating a healthy society I think. Solidarity, amenability, empathy, and putting a group before ones own interests and being sensitive towards other people's needs is just way more likely to happen with these traits than it is with the masculine traits. And because the dominance of these masculine traits in our culture, these traits have gained te highest value in that culture and have been colored positively as strong, assertive, creative, reliable etc. But they aren't well suited to create solidarity and solve the biggest problems humanity faces right now as a species. The masculine traits actually are the cause of our problems. They feed the capitalist, individualistic trajectory we as a species have taken. With little regard for our future and the consequences for others of our actions for personal gain. Polution, exploitation, violence for profit, manipulation for personal gain that leads to polarization and deteriation of democracy and social cohesion. All sorts of actions that because of a lack of solidarity and focus on selfish gain, harm us all and endanger our future. So in my opinion, we as a species need a change in what we value in each other. The feminine traits need a re-evaluation and if we are to succeed as a species, feminine traits need a more dominant place in our political environment. Simply put, we need to re-evaluate masculine and feminine traits, not just for fairness or the sake of women or others who strongly have them, but for the sake of the whole of humanity.

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@affiliatereviews4079

1 year ago

So white knight is conquest, red knight is war, black knight is famine, and the pale green knight not mentioned is Death. Gee, this sounds familiar, wonder where I heard it before? Oh yeah, in the Bible, book of Revelation

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@parheliaa

1 year ago

6:40 Great example of today's paranoia. Feminism once was a fad (or simply a mean for somebody's end, no matter for this discussion) for some time, but now the fad of the month is LGBTQ, so feminism is not important anymore, because is not"inclusive" enough. What is the the most funny, the current feminist-zealots are harming women (in most cases) at the end of the day. The best example is MeToo movement. Because of this, women are less preferred as employees, because the risk of hiring one woman who will throw some false rape accusations, outweighs the benefits of having woman as an employee (even if woman would be better on this particular position).

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@maynardfrench5418

1 year ago

The goal of feminism used to be equality with men, which was odd, why would a person want to be equal with an "oppressor". Modernity is a house that was built and afforded by male values. Postmodernity is an occupant of that house which provides shelter for and promotes female values. This has always been the purpose of the house in the first place. Feminism wants to live with this standard of living which was afforded by modern patriarchs but now wants to sideline men, believing it can maintain this modern house with postmodern values. Quite entertaining to watch. A little bit like clown show including yellow, green and blue hair.

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