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Do we have free will? Or is life predetermined? A question pondered by philosophers for millennia…and science might just have the answer
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00:00 Free Will Does Not Exist
00:59 Free Will and The Foundations of The Universe
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7:05 Is Free Will An Emergent Property?
13:32 Using Science To Read Your Mind
15:24 Your Brain Is Lying To You. We Have Proof
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Thanks for this. I showed the video to my wife, and she now finally agrees that I cannot avoid drinking in the afternoon.
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"What you do with that information is your choice"
Ummm, apparently not. 😂
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for me living with adhd, free will has always felt like an illusion.
alot of my action is dictated not by MY wishes. but by my minds whims, mood, and focus.
hearing about the whole split brain experiment in my childhood i kind of have accepted an idea that the self is less like you are in control of who you are and rather. you have a collection of selves that bicker and argue inside your head about what you will do, what you believe, what you think about, etc.
productivity is when interests aligns amongst the "selves" and such.
not to say that you cannot work to improve yourself if you have no free will cause like.
there are aspects of your self which WISH to be better. one just has to focus on those.
the illusion of will at least lets you choose which aspect of yourself to give more priority to.
free will is not as big of an issue for me as is "how i define myself" and i think thats really a big factor that affects my actions and behavior.
am i those aspects of me which bring about laziness? am i those aspects of me which are spiteful and sour toned?
the answer is both, BUT i can also define myself as my better aspects.
i am also me who seeks my happiness, the me who seeks self improvement, the me who draws art because its fun.
excuse me for my nonsense. just wanted to chatter
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This is a great argument for a
“Pre-crime judicial system”. 😂
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I'm having several problems with Ben's conclusion.
In the first section, he just hand-waved away the quantum effects by saying that it falls under a probability distribution. That doesn't really work in a deterministic reality, if an outcome of a specific quantum effect can't be determined beforehand even if the state of every particle is known then that's a problem for a deterministic reality.
The study referenced at 13:35 was published in 2008, not 2018. Also what the study states is that the state of your brain in the seconds leading up to a decision influences your decision and can be used to predict your decision. Also I couldn't see in the study how accurately they were able to make this prediction. Stating that the previous state influences the current state is kinda intuitive and not really evidence for or against determinism.
All the last chapter is really saying is that if you remove the brains ability to process certain types of information then it can't do certain things. Not really evidence for free will or determinism. Really interesting information though.
He doesn't provide references to any of the studies he talks about in the video.
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making a decision and being consciously aware of that decision are two very different things
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The scariest part of the illusion of free will is how we hold each other accountable for our actions; punishing and rewarding them accordingly, regardless of the fact that none of us really had any choice. So much of what we value, strive for, or fear, is a result of thinking we have free will; without it society would collapse into meaninglessness.
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Every point you make, gives me pause for thought, and then you go and cover exactly what I'm thinking...😊 It makes me smile!
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I already agree with your stance on free will.
However, I also think there's more arguments for free will that have been overlooked here:
Firstly I think using a law of physics to argue a point on psychology isn't that relevant.
In the case of cause and effect, I think it can be argued both ways (for example - you may chose a life path based on your parents or siblings, and some choose to go in a completely different direction. In this case, a negative opinion of your parents caused this effect, but ultimately, a choice was made based on the information your brain was given.)
In the case of your brain deciding for you, - of course we can read electrical signals BEFORE a decision, that is the 'computational energy output' of our fleshy network that enables an action. This doesn't mean we are any less in control. Our brains are programmed for certain impulses or desire that often link to self preservation, reproduction and pleasure, but ultimately there are also cases of people making decisions despite having this programming, like suicide, asexuality and abstinence.
It's easy to say free will is an illusion created by our brains, but then what are we, if not a unique bio-chemical finger print pressed against the the cold, cloudy looking glass of lived experience. YOU CHOSE to read this comment, and just because you're able to explain and even predict this, response doesn't change disprove it was made freely. - let me know if you disagree
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We don't get to tell the universe how tired it should be of generating new universes
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“Play your part in the comedy but don’t identify yourself with your role”
—Wei Wu Wei
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the free will might hides in the quantum uncertainty, at least it could have influence. I am not a fan of beliefs anyway, we do not have enough understanding of the universe yet, as long as the future is not deterministic, there can be free will in the way the uncertainty collapses, also it feels a lot like having free will, I can even feel when I am not under control, so the feeling of control at least exists, whether that is free will or not, it's enough to give us the illusion of having free will, also it could be a spectrum, it could be that we have 1% free will and 99% of our decisions a hardwired, even 0.0001% free will could "steer the boat in another direction" so to speak, over a longer period of time.
While we can disprove free will easily if everything is deterministic, we can't ever prove free will to be true, I can't think of a way a god1 could prove free will, because that god1 could have another god2 that predetermined the actions of god1
9:08 if there is free will, it is 100% not in the bigger-than-quantum-level, because bigger-than-quantum-level is deterministic as it already collapsed so to speak, and amino acids etc are above qunatum-effect size, the only question is, do the quantum uncertainty-effects affect our neurons/electric signals etc, there is still a fine line that would allow free will to have at least some % of influence, but maybe we rule out that uncertainty thing one day too. Also since uncertainty-curves collapse in their given probability every time, there probably isn't any free will
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Agreed, we have no free will. Any 'choices' one makes could never change if one was able to go back to a precise point in spacetime within an identical universe. That means the universe conspired to give us only one real 'choice', the one we chose.
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At a fundamental macro-scale level, one only needs to show "1" example to conclude that determinism does not exist, this being the 3-BodyProblem (Poincaré). At best, and most probable, is that |Non-Determinism <&>Determinism| are 2 extremes of a spectrum thereof, and therein....where the Mind-Body fluctuates within this |ND<&>D| spectrum. The Brain-Mind complex, differentiated among all people, may facilitate the emergence of free-will in some people and not in others.
There's a grave misunderstanding about the 'reflexive neural action" experiments that are being used today as proof that free-will doesn't exist.
Nevertheless, if one can show just “1” fundamental example in nature that “Determinism” does not exist, via the 3-Body Problem, then "Determinism" should not be promulgated as defining our realm, thereby sending the sciences into erred trajectories. Its a foolish determination.
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If free will doesn't exist, then there really isn't any point to anything at all. It would explain a lot, frankly.
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Free will is the system’s inability to predict its own actions, because it cannot predict what it will predict, etc, so this ignorance feels liberating — Seth Loyd has a good paper on it.
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For me, causality is a given. Which makes the universe deterministic. But we cannot in principle predict the future because we cannot in principle know all conditions at any instant (because the speed of light places a limit on knowability for anything distant, and time doesn't stand still either. I take the wavefunction as being a function of possibility and its collapse as being the point at which we know which possibility was the correct one. Finally, I take the view that whatever happens/occurs was always going to (causality). No ifs or buts.
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"What you do with that information is your choice." Really? How can I have a real choice if I don't have free will?
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You dodged the "elephant in the room" as I see it. No free will kinda throws crime and punishment and the whole concept of legal systems under the bus......
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