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Starting with Sticker Star, the more recent three focused far less on unique characters & battles in favor of paper-related gimmicks. Because of this, I suggest we unofficially split the fandom into two separate branches: the first set of games can be called the "Mario Storybook" trilogy, and the second set the "Mario Pop-Up Book" or the "Literal Paper Mario" trilogy.
This video remakes my original analogy explaining what it feels like to be a fan of Paper Mario today, and then elaborates on why Super Paper Mario has more in common with the first two games than the modern ones. This is all in the hope that we can all unite again through different communities.
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Music used (in order):
ā« Main Title - Paper Mario
ā« A Party at Peach's Castle
ā« March Ahead
ā« Story Music Box - Yoshi's Island
ā« Rawk Hawk Battle - The Thousand Year Door
ā« Hooktail Castle
ā« The Golden Coliseum - Color Splash
ā« Glitzville
ā« Today's Story - Super Paper Mario
ā« King of the Koopas - PM
ā« Battle Fanfare
ā« Mushroom Plains - New Super Mario Bros.
ā« Hello! Time Travelers - Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
ā« Bobby's Memories - The Origami King
ā« Paper Mario Medley - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
ā« Don Pianta's Theme - TTYD
ā« Soul Rumblings - CS
ā« Cheer Up, Olivia! - TOK
ā« Pool Party (Jump in!)
ā« Shy Guys Finish Last
ā« Super Paper Mario
ā« Our Story Begins - TTYD
ā« Main Title - PM
Sources & further reading
Sprites:
ā Paper Mario items ripped by Dazz. Enemies & NPCs - Retriever II
www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_64/pm/
ā TTYD recipes - MartinMayonnaise. Characters - SuperTVGRFan18496, fawfulthegreat64, Stooben, Androu1
www.spriters-resource.com/gamecube/pmttyd/
ā Super Paper Mario recipes - redblueyellow
www.spriters-resource.com/wii/superpapermario/
ā SPM Pixls - Fiery Spyro
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Super_Paper_Mario
ā Sticker Star battle stickers - aldelaro5. Enemies by Ploaj
www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/papermariostickerstaā¦
ā The Origami King item icons - fawfulthegreat64
www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_switch/papermarā¦
ā Super Mario Bros. goomba - Superjustinbros
www.spriters-resource.com/nes/supermariobros/
ā Yoshi's Island boo - Barack Obama, Murphmario
www.spriters-resource.com/snes/yoshiisland/
Images:
ā Paper Mario official art - Mariomario64, Jorge, YoshiGo99, Gromp, SWFlash, and Shokora
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Paper_Mario
ā TTYD official art - Turboo, Mario, WarioLoaf, Shokora, SWFlash, Fawfulthegreat64, and Doomdorm64
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Paper_Mario:_The_Thousanā¦
ā Super Paper Mario official art - Robotortoise, Fawfulthegreat64, RAP, Super Candy, Shokora, Bowser the Second
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Super_Paper_Mario
ā Sticker Star official art - Xavier, Shokora
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Paper_Mario:_Sticker_Staā¦
ā Color Splash official art - Trig Jegman, Wildgoosespeeder, Blhte
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Paper_Mario:_Color_Splasā¦
ā The Origami King official art - Raymondsze and Luigi1234
www.mariowiki.com/Gallery:Paper_Mario:_The_Origamiā¦
ā Spike (Super Mario Bros. 3) official art - Blhte
www.mariowiki.com/File:SMB3_F40A_Spike_Artwork.png
Super Mario 64 DS print ad - jirokissawa
www.redlib.matthew.science/r/NintendoDS/comments/17qrc9u/superā¦
ā Paper Mario restriction graphic
www.redlib.matthew.science/r/papermario/comments/12hprdt/i_figā¦
Articles referenced:
ā Sticker Star Iwata Asks interview
iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/papermario
ā TOK interview
videogameschronicle.com/features/interviews/paper-mario-origami-king
Sound effects:
ā TTYD SFX - LeonidJeweller
www.sounds-resource.com/gamecube/papermariothethouā¦
ā Paper rip 2 - zachfbstudios
ā Color Splash jingles - Gaming Musik
Ā Ā Ā ā¢Ā FanfaresĀ andĀ JinglesĀ -Ā PaperĀ Mario:Ā C...Ā Ā
ā Super Paper Mario SFX - fawfulthegreat64
www.sounds-resource.com/wii/superpapermario/sound/ā¦
ā Dedf1sh song - Squidtent
splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Category:Dedf1sh_songs
ā Super Mario 64 Chain Chomp
themushroomkingdom.net/media/sm64/wav
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0:00 - Introduction
0:28 - Broken family analogy
5:06 - Super Paper Mario belongs w/ the originals
13:32 - Future of the series
14:22 - Patrons
14:29 - End card
#papermario #ttyd #thethousandyeardoor
Views : 14,223
Genre: Gaming
Date of upload: Apr 17, 2024 ^^
Rating : 4.958 (9/851 LTDR)
RYD date created : 2024-05-03T13:02:58.457947Z
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Top Comments of this video!! :3
Super Paper Mario is like that one kid whose siblings will occasionally ask their parents if he's adopted when he isn't. A bit different, but still ultimately cut from the same cloth.
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Pm 64 was the start
Ttyd said: ima see how i can improve what you did
SPM said: yall did some cool stuff, but ima try my own thing.
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The annoying thing about color splash is that it was so close to being a great game. It doesnāt have a super complex story or anything, but itās not trying to so that doesnāt bother me. Itās easily the funniest Mario game ever made and the game is gorgeous and all the areas are super fun to explore and have something unique about them. The music is also fantastic. The only thing that drags it down is the battle system. The game has some other problems like those chase sequences were if you die it takes you all the way back to the title screen and the toads not having unique designs but those are all annoyances more than anything. I wouldnāt call them massive problems. If color splash was remade and it just ditched the battle system all together and it was just overworld combat like in super and it gave all of the toads unique designs, it would be glorious. I honestly like color splash way more than origami king. There are so many things in origami king that annoy me way more than anything in color splash
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That interview about not being able to make new variants has always been iffy to me. Sticker Star had Poison Bloopers, which are just as much of a variant as Clubbas or Putrid Piranhas. There's also Mural Koopas and Mural Goombas, which are extremely stylized.
Also, I think the Superstar Saga changes were due to budget constraints, since the Bowser's Inside Story remake had new species as the Best Fitness Friends
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Iāve also always imagined the SPM child in this analogy to be like, super neurodivergent, kinda being off in their own world and obsessively fantasize scenarios with some of their favorite fictional characters. Not just because I think thatās fitting, but as a fellow haver of autism, having a hyper fixation with this game at some point in your life is just required lol
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After Mario Odyssey showed us half a dozen kingdoms each with their unique NPC races I really wish we could have those in a new Paper Mario aswell.
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I've been a Paper Mario fan ever since I was 6 and as much as I adore this series, I've grown tired of arguing about it. I was really excited when TOK was announced and it was disheartening to see so much debate sparked over it just like Color Splash. I'm not saying we can't have critical discussions about the direction the series went in, as you said, but it's frustrating seeing both sides constantly at each other's throats. TTYD is one of my favorite games of all time, and it hurts to see fans of that game bash the new games and their fans, especially when it causes many to hate TTYD out of spite. I hope the remake finally breaks this cycle and this is a game many on both sides can enjoy, or at least respect the different opinions about.
Thanks for this video, I really like the analogy you put together and will keep it in mind when discussing this series and the discourse surrounding it with friends.
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i honestly loved SPM chapter 7 as a story, and i wish a game centered around Luvbi, Grambi, Jaydes, and Bonechill existed, as a game taking place after SPM. i just hate how they put in such an amazing concept, only to never use it again
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I now imagine the paper marios at a thanksgiving table as a bunch of various jumping, hammering, voice, and paper sounds come from it
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What makes the whole character restriction thing even more confusing is that if it really was established during Sticker Star's development, then why didn't it effect Drem Team in any way? That game came out a year later and still kept the same originality and charm of the previous Mario & Luigi games without any limitations. Even the changes made in the remakes are relatively minor, just some enemy designs having a more uniform look. It's not like they say straight up replaced Popple with Nabbit or something. The only M&L to abide the same limitations as Paper Mario happens to be the crossover with that series. It just feels like there's a strange double standard with those rules in regard to Paper Mario specifically.
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The whole interview that said they canāt make any new characters/different designs never really made sense to me since thatās exactly what other mario games donāt do. Take Odyssey for example, it introduced so many new characters/races to the series
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I like that the mom is the MMA fighter.
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I grew up with original trilogy, and I'm more than excited for the TTYD remake, but I also grew up with a more open mind on Color Splash and The Origami King.
Color Splash, while suffering with a lackluster combat system, has really hilarious dialogue and interesting settings and themes. The Origami King, the game I personally enjoy the most out of the modern trilogy, has a fantastic soundtrack that I still listen to this day, and the areas you visit are fun to explore. The combat system, while not perfect, doesn't bother me as much as the ones from the last two games.
Like you, I actually like at least 5 out of the 6 games, and they all have their pros and cons. The original trilogy just has higher pros and fewer cons. Screw the tedious backtracking in the TTYD, though. I hope they fix that in the remake. And the less said about Sticker Star, the better.
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this is an amazing analogy to how to treat the series, I've seen others talk about them divided before which is very much apparent in the fandom but using the idea of them being a family is a really good idea!
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That's... actually a very solid analogy, now that I think about it. While likely impossible to happen, I really do hope the Paper Mario fandom becomes kinder towards one another. Great video!
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I am guessing Super Mario RPG is the grandpa and Mario & Luigi Paper Jam is that cousin that early visits is what is talked about.
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I absolutely love Color Splash and Oragami King, but I do also love the idea of the first three. I'm gonna play the TTYD remake when it releases, because it seems like something I'd genuinely love too.
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The fandoms like a taco, games like super paper Mario to Origami king are the little meat pieces that fall out that you save for a later taco, and the first two games are like the tortilla, irreplaceable.
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I HATE that ppl are hating on Origami Kimg now, awesome characters, story, music i love it i cried at the end and at the Bobby part
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@theGstar305
2 weeks ago
Thank you for the point about SPM. That game IS a true sequel to TTYD. The connections between them go even deeper than you mentioned. For example: - TTYD and SPM have the same UI in most places (same menu backgrounds, "glove" text selector, same selection sounds) - TTYD (and the first game for that matter) have all of their partners reappear as photos in Mario's house and as Catch Cards in SPM, and the game files indicate they were planned to make physical appearances as well but were scrapped for unknown reasons -TTYD's action commands reappear as the mechanism behind items in SPM. The same design is used for them and everything. I feel like people really overlook this one -TTYD and SPM use the same environments for recurring areas (Mario's house, Bowser's Castle, etc.) They use the same models, backgrounds, and everything. They are quite literally the same places -TTYD and SPM use the same engine and maps from one game can be loaded in the other via hacks -TTYD and SPM are the only two games in the series with the Pit Of 100 Trials. SPM built on the idea (like a sequel does) by including two Pits with better rewards -There are shared motifs and patterns everywhere, like with both games having a dragon as the first boss (Hooktail and Fracktail) who later has an upgraded version appear in the Pit (Bonetail and Wracktail) -Both games use the same soundfont for their soundtracks, and leitmotifs from TTYD appear in SPM's soundtrack. (For example, Grodus' theme can be heard in the SPM track "In The Darkness") -While this could possibly be included in the "shared patterns" bullet point, I'll make it a separate one because I feel it's notable. Both games' final chapters have the same layout: You fight through a castle of darkness to reach the main villain, and the battle turns out to be a fake final boss fight. The true main villain is then revealed as one of Mario's friend's is possessed to become the true demonic final boss. The end of the world commences. This true final boss is invincible until a supernatural power from the artifacts intercedes and Mario is emboldened. This parallel is so pronounced it's tough to ignore -TTYD and SPM are the only Paper Mario games to be linked forward. Put another way, TTYD is the only game that intentionally foreshadowed its successor. The Toad in Petalburg in TTYD says that "if you like Luigi, you'll love the next [Paper Mario] game." And on and on. I could keep going. The only reason SPM changed the combat from TTYD is because SPM was originally expected to be a Gamecube game. The devs worried that another Paper Mario game on the same system with the same gameplay would be too repetitive, so they changed the combat. However, artistically speaking, they were made with the exact same sensibilities and intentions. TTYD and SPM are like brothers with different hair colors. They're different in a single way, but they have the same DNA. Their similarities go right to the bone. Just because SPM doesn't have the same combat does not mean that it is not a true sequel.
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