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⌛ Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:58 #1 The Misrepresentation of The Matrix
5:13 #2 The Matrix would love The Matrix
8:23 #3 A Glimmer of Irony
10:34 Why Baudrillard is Wrong
13:32 Final Thoughts
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Ah well, Baudrillard famously crapped on everything. That was his thing. To expect him to do anything else would be unreasonable lol. The fact he took the time out to be critical of the film was probably to him high praise, as he saw it. Though I do agree with him to some degree, I thought the films took themselves and the mythology they were operating in a bit too literally. And the end of the third film where Trinity died in such a pathetic way seemed to undo the previous two films climaxes, where Neo and Trinity resurrected each other. Then to have Neo sacrifice himself to preserve the Matrix... it seemed like they had completely betrayed the earlier message of the first film. That he would now give in to his fate, thus proving the Architect was right all along. It's quite chilling in fact. The only happy aspect lies with the small hope that someday maybe the machines and humans could learn to coexist, after Neo sacrificed himself to save both worlds. That's the story they should have put more emphasis on, but it seems to have gotten lost in all the effects driven spectacle. In that way I have to agree with Baudrillard. The Matrix was in fact created by something that the Matrix would have created, and that is Hollywood. The Wachowskis for all their posturing as outsiders and rebels are only able to continue making horrible films that do horrendously at the box office because they are well connected with the Hollywood elites. If they were just regular people making activist type films critical of the status quo, they'd never be able to make huge blockbuster films. They are an inherent part of the system they are criticizing, and they are using the medium of the blockbuster action film to sell the idea of Resistance against the System, as a replacement for any real change to the system. People watch the film thinking they are now part of a virtual Resistance movement against the Matrix, when in fact that energy has been redirected to turn them into passive observers of a spectacle which sells them the Illusion of a Resistance Movement, not an actual one. So in some ways, the Matrix movies are even more diabolical than the Matrix itself. But that's what capitalism does, it monetizes everything, even rebelliousness against it.
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When people try to make the argument that we all may be dreaming without realizing it, they always seem to radically underestimate the difference in clarity between "reality" and dreams. Sure, you can be "convinced" in a dream that the dream is real, but not explicitly . You act as if you think it's real, but you usually lack the capacity to even question it, which is significantly different from the state of being awake. If you were to start rigorously questioning while in the dream, it would then morph into a lucid dream. This kind of thing just doesn't happen in real life. That's not to mention that reality is far more consistent than any dream. Physics in real life appears to be infinitely consistent, while in a dream you tend to see clocks being nonsensical, you can suddenly find yourself in random locations, no matter how far apart, etc. While I have had the very rare dream in which one of these things is consistent, I've never had a dream in which all of them worked consistently. The argument often seems to boil down into something like "Well, they're kinda sorta similar," and I personally just can't buy it.
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The latest movie started strong. It attempted to make you feel like you (the viewer) are in the Matrix - thus a strong feeling of hyperrealism. And it ended somewhat optimistic - the acceptance of Neo and Trinity being hyperreal, yet making the most out of it by designing the Matrix, even though the Analyst ridiculed it from a rational standpoint. The merging of reality and illusion doesn't seem that bad.
Perhaps that was the intended message: Reality and illusion imploded. And we are left to make the most out of it. Neo and Trinity flew. And we enjoyed a hyperrealist movie.
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Great to hear from someone with enough depth to see the whole trilogy as great and not just the first film. I watched all three on DVD for the first time around 2010. Perhaps that is why I like all three (I never got caught up in the whole discussion of them and didn't need to wonder what the sequels would be like). I am definitely not philosophically gifted, so I like when I hear philosophers happen to see things similarly to me (I think).
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Fantastic. Starting Simulacra and Simulation today, and watching Matrix 4 soon: happy to be entering it with this new (to me) perspective to add to my appreciation.
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While the second and third films of the trilogy might have succeeded on a philosophical level, they never worked for me as films. The pacing of Reloaded and Revolutions were messy and the cinematography and fight choreography took a nosedive from the first film. Talking about the philosophy of the second and third films is a much more enjoyable activity than actually watching them; looking at the meta-deconstruction of the films with fourth, there's a good chance I would feel the same -- I'll see it eventually but it doesn't excite me too much.
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One of the best videos that I've seen lately about Matrix, really interesting stuff. I'm gonna subscribe!
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Thank you so much for these amazing deep dives:) I am writing a paper for school, and this helps to understand it all so much more!!!
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Congratulations on 12k subscribers! Keep on trucking! Also a merry Christmas to you! ☃️🎄
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this was great, thank you so much for this vid. really enjoyed the concept here but id love to listen to them as well when i cant watch, are you on audea? was trying to find some of your content on there to listen to!
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In summary; to paraphrase Oolon Colluphid's trilogy:
Where Baudrillard went wrong.
Some More of Baudrillard's Greatest Mistakes
Who is this Baudrillard Person Anyway
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Beautiful presentation and great analysis!
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Very happy you have (successfully in my estimation) defended the Matrix trilogy since they are some of my favorite movies. I seem to remember that Baudrillard declined to be involved in the making of the second and third movies of the trilogy because of the misinterpretation he saw in the first. My suspicion is that he might have changed his mind after seeing the finished product.
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I think this would he great to revisit in light of the 4th Matrix movie.
As a film I believe it goes straight to the issue of Baudrillard's criticism. In particular it is much clearer about the societal aspects of living in a simulation and persists at being vague about where the teal reality lies.
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Well done. Now you’re just showing off and flexing that philosophical mind of yours…yes, I had a hard time keeping up and I still haven’t read his book.
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Thanks for the video! I found myself "wrecking my brain" just trying to read Simulacra Simulation. I don't know if it's the French to English translation, or Baudrillard being so cerebral my brain couldn't keep up.
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Does Baudrillard ever propose a way out of the conundrum? Does he even think there is one? I don't see a way out other than being omniscient, and since we are not then we must just muddle through and enjoy the steak even though we are not sure it is real. At least it tastes good.
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14 years ago I never understood simulations of the hyper real. But since social media has taken over the world I have since understood it more completely
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I thought that Kant dispatched with notions of Reality quite nicely. Not sure what Baudrillard brought to the table beyond Representation (Schopenhauer), but I too found The Matrix a little dull.
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Love the channel? Want early access and other stuff? Check out the Patreon page 💸 Patreon: patreon.com/thelivingphilosophy ⌛ Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 0:58 #1 The Misrepresentation of The Matrix 5:13 #2 The Matrix would love The Matrix 8:23 #3 A Glimmer of Irony 10:34 Why Baudrillard is Wrong 13:32 Final Thought
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