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2. Joe Rogan Episode 958 clip: • Jordan Peterson on the Problem with P...
3. Postmodernism in a Nutshell – Jordan Peterson: • Video
4. Postmodernism Diagnosis and Cure: • 2017/06/28: Postmodern NeoMarxism: Di...
5. Jordan Peterson: You’re Oppressed! The Dangers of Postmodernism • Jordan Peterson - You´re Oppressed! T...
6. Interview with John Vervaeke (timestamped to relevant point): • A Conversation so Intense It Might as...
7. Postmodernism in a nutshell: • Video
8. Why Postmodernism is so Dangerous • Jordan Peterson: Why Postmodernism is...
9. Foucault the Reprehensible clip: • Jordan Peterson - Foucault The Repreh...
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1. Joan Ceika: • A Critique of Stephen Hicks' "Explain...
2. Jordan Peterson “why the rage bruh” clip: • Jordan Peterson DESTROYED Compilation!
3. Jacobin article on Foucault’s experimentation with neoliberalism jacobinmag.com/2019/09/michel-foucault-neoliberali…
4. Psychology and Religion by Carl Jung www.goodreads.com/book/show/123636.Psychology_and_…
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6. Foucault quote about Marxism from Didier Eribon’s biography of him www.goodreads.com/book/show/1385058.Michel_Foucaul…
7. Maps of Meaning by Jordan Peterson www.goodreads.com/book/show/2218102.Maps_of_Meanin…
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⌛ Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
04:06 Peterson’s Postmodern Neo-Marxist Argument
09:04 Counterargument I: Peterson’s Misunderstandings
11:40 Foucault as Peterson’s Shadow Double
20:23 Counterargument II: The Neomarxist Conspiracy
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I recently had a discussion with a slightly older colleague of mine who is self-proclaimed to be more conservative. It's primarily due to his skepticism towards today's identity politics, and claims that a lot of progressive discourse puts too much emphasis on victimhood and oppression. Naturally, he likes what Peterson has to say for the same reason you do: stop focusing on the bigger structures that take away your autonomy, and focus on your own, inner-world of control.
I noticed an interesting thread in the conversation: the topic of what you can control. Conservative politics is more inclined to focus attention inwards- finding your best self and getting your own life in order, while Progressives express control in a kind of "outward activism", since the oppressive structures at large are exactly what prevents us from finding stability in our own lives. I'm sympathetic to both sides, and it's probably best to strike a good balance in the middle.
My personal issue with Peterson is his dismissal of the harm that our world-structures are imposing. Climate Change and third-world exploitation are easy ones to point to, and I find it understandable that our Gen Z populations find it difficult to "point their attention inwards" when the world they've inherited is burning down. They are met with a kind of urgency that Peterson's philosophy doesn't address. And when these issues are raised- he simply responds by calling them ungrateful.
Not sure how much these thoughts have any bearing in actual reality, but I thought I'd share nonetheless.
Top quality content as usual! Loving the addition of graphics ;)
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This is probably the best criticism of JP I've ever seen. It's non-antagonistic, yet it dives deeply at one of the major downsides in the way that he has used social media to date. His long form content is the best, but his short form social media interactions tend to be very lacking in what actually makes him unique.
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Absolutely fantastic. It's hard to find genuine, good faith, in depth criticisms of JP. As someone who really appreciates Jordans ideas this is incredibly valuable.
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I’ve never heard Peterson before, as he seems to be the product of social media popularization, but it sounds like his argument is essentially the same as Allan Bloom’s “Closing of the American Mind” from the eighties- the “Nietzscheanization of the Left”.
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Great video! Definitely agree with the overall message, have always found it strange how JP loves the work of Nietzsche but is so hard of the postmodernists.
However, I do think it's worth pointing out how JP's study of evil contributes to his dislike of what he perceives to be a post-modernism. JP regularly talks about the psychology of a concentration camp gaurd or the motivation of dictators like Hitler or Stalin and I get the sense his disdain for someone like Foulcalt stems from him attributing to him the same psychological profile. He essentially sees him as a Dostoyevsky villain, very intelligent but resentful and bitter at a world he feels doesn't accept him. Under this reading it is less that JP believes some grand conspiracy, more he believes that Foucalt doesnt value his society or tradition and resents his place in it so his overall aim is to over throw it. He rightly or wrongly believes him to have the psychological profile of a tyrant.
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Wow. Perfect. Really spot on. I really like JP too. When he first came in the scene it really was brain/ear candy. I’m still a big fan but he’s really gone sideways. I even tried to reach out to him and discuss his existential crisis, and the medication problems. The shadow projection couldn’t be more accurate, well done. I wish I had your perspective around and available for me and my mystic stuff! Would really love for you to point out anything and everything as pithy as you’d like. I promise to laugh:). Anyway, watch out for your own rise, it’s coming quick. How will your shadow manifest without you being aware of it? I’ll do my best to opine as honestly and lovingly as possible. Thanks again, you knocked this one out of the park.
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What you didn't mention but what I think is absolutely crucial: His traumatized reaction when learning at an early age that a (Soviet) nuclear bomb could vaporize himself and everything he held dear in an instance. His reaction when recounting this realization is harrowing, and to me explains a lot of his shadow.
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As many have said here, you are one of the few who hasn't simply 'taken sides' for or against Peterson. I'd be fascinated to hear Peterson giving a considered response to your critique of his thought, or even a dialogue between you. Your discussion of the shadow was full of echoes of Plato. Philosophy has grown and developed from Plato but can't ultimately escape his question about what truth is and how we can or can't reach it.
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⌛ Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction
04:06 Peterson’s Postmodern Neo-Marxist Argument
09:04 Counterargument I: Peterson’s Misunderstandings
11:40 Foucault as Peterson’s Shadow Double
20:23 Counterargument II: The Neomarxist Conspirac
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I've always had misgiving about Peterson well before Dr. Gabor Mate pointed out a year ago or so that he believes Peterson has a lot of unresolved pent up anger. I believe this fuels his shadow hence he projects it out on Postmodern scholars or anyone who disagrees with him.....as if they were intentionally out to dupe the masses with evil intentions. So glad TLP addressed this issue so clearly. It gets much closer to the truth of that which drives Peterson's state of mind. It truly is unfortunate that Peterson has no idea of the degree in which his shadow has possessed his heart and mind. What makes it worse is that, if you were to call him out on it out of genuine concern for his well being, he would, as most people do, deny it. Tragically, and unbeknownst to himself, he is defending the indefensible and does not know it. He is unwittingly subjecting himself to a very toxic shadow that, I fear, will, in the future, make his life far more difficult and he will never know its true cause UNLESS he sees the truth about "the long bag he is dragging behind himself".
I respect and admire Peterson, but I do not take him seriously nor his advice on relationships or how to be a better person. Mainly because, as an INFJ, I intuitively felt his anger from the get go which often taints his best intentions. And his knowledge of amorous relationships pales in comparison to Esther Perel who sees ALL interpersonal relations with greater nuance and with a deeper humanistic understanding of what it means to be human. Peterson also spreads himself out too thin on issues that are not within his "domain" of knowledge (as he would put it). I can only hope that Peterson will take a very hard and deep look within himself and see that which is keeping him in a state of arrested development.
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Thing is, it's hard to trust his analysis of things because he consistently misinterprets or misrepresents others in general, not just a small group of French philosophers.
He somehow came to the conclusion based on his reading that Orwell was anti-socialist when Orwell explicitly defends socialism multiple times.
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Great work. As a psychology student, I've always been soo unconfortable with JP conspiracy tendencies, cause he's work as a clinical psychologist (especially in personality traits field) always looked really good to me. But when he comes and put Foucault, Derrida and Marx in the same group as devils trying to destroy westerns civilization (as if this is actually a thing without fundamental problems as a concept itself) really does make me feel sad. Great takes at that.
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As far as 'post-modern neo-marxist' goes, a similar thing exists with Objectivists describing Kant and Comte, and students of their philosophies: a person who believes that reality is whatever you make of it, that facts and the laws of reality are at best tools and actively disregarded at worst, that the individual should be eliminated and that the state should be an active participant in your life. Sowell's 'The Vision of the Anointed' (as well as elsewhere) also talks about these same kinds of people. Now how it is that all these kinds of people (the ARI, Peterson and Sowell) can point the finger at basically the same kind of person... well calling it a conspiracy theory implies the people involved are conspiring together, so it's probably more accurate to think of it like the Crusades (especially the First) than a planned internal coup to seize power.
At anyrate, I find Peterson to be at his best when he's being a psychologist and not a philosopher, alas his particular field of interest and the very nature of philosophy require him to be in that field when he has to figure out what on earth are the people that advocate the things he opposes so frequently.
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Your unwavering loyalty to “truth” rather than “my team” is the most crucial element when approaching anything that resembles “truth”. Your intentions so to speak is in the right place and I pray you continue to have this balanced approach with all philosophical subjects.
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Interesting video, well edited and structured. Still trying to figure out my own opinion on some of these matters but you definitely had some good criticisms regarding Peterson's militancy.
Nearly 14k subs! Keep it up!
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As a JP fan I love this video but want to point out that’s it’s the people JP calls out that condemn us JP fans as bad people when we are all here enjoying this criticism yet those opposed tend to not be able to hear criticisms. I believe it’s this point that shows what drew JP into his “conspiracy” period. It’s maddening when people are so arrogant in their points and won’t accept critics points. I don’t believe JP is perfect but I do believe he has great lessons to be learned and I like his idea of the online university not bound by the educational system that is corrupt, at least in America, to an extent.
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2 questions:
1. Which work should I read if i want to understand JBP's take on Jung and Nietzsche?
2. You used a phrase "shadow villain". What work would you suggest i go thru to understand more about shadow psychology?
Great video as always!
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This channel is so good. You analysis is one of the few honest ones you might find in the Internet about Peterson. Normally, you will find people to advocate for anything he says or to attack him for anything he says.
Both of them aren't constructive at all. But you were, my friend!
He has great ideas and insights and sometimes he directs his energy and focus into the wrong path, imo. And in my understanding of your video, you might just think of him something close to that.
Thank you for your service. Keep your honesty and your great work.
Cheers!
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Good vid. Peterson definitely has a vague view on postmodernism, and I agree it's obvious that he projects his shadow on the idea. But at the same time, there is a crazy proliferation of hegelian/marxian thinking going on. Communists did try to take over the world, as did the nazis. So these ideologies that Nietzsche predicted are capable of possessing nations and they are dangerous.
I think your vid is great. But I also think that if he just bothered to read postmodernists and neo marxists (I mean critical theorists), Peterson would have a more nuanced but still compelling case to make
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I've noticed a lot of comments here that feel I am using Conspiracy Theory in an entirely dismissive way. This is not entirely true (though it has led me to reflect on the extent to which it might be true). I thought it would be worthwhile to link to some earlier episodes where I looked at the fledgling field of the Pscyhology of Conspiracy Thinking and try to give a balanced take on Conspiratorial thinking: 1. Why people believe conspiracies according to this new field of psychology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWLm4IE0ho 2. My own hypothesis of Conspiracy Theorists as cultural white blood cells: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_w5UJNtJLM
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