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In the episode on Foucault we touched briefly on the question of what might happen if we combined Jung's analysis of the gods with Foucault's analysis of power. There is a precedent for this question in the work of the philosopher loved by both thinkers: Friedrich Nietzsche.

In his book, On the Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche talks about how the gods can have very different effects on their believers. In the Judaeo-Christian tradition, God is the embodiment of the superego. He is the ideal that judges; we are creatures with Free Will and whether we thrive or fail is on ourselves. In the Greek tradition on the other hand we have the pantheon of bickering gods. If misfortune befalls us it isn't simply because of something we have done but perhaps becuase of some conflict among the gods that we have no power of. In this way the Greeks "used their gods precisely so as to ward off the ā€œbad conscience,ā€ so as to be able to rejoice in their freedom of soulā€”the very opposite of the use to which Christianity put its God."

The full aphorism (Ā§2.23 from GM) can be found deeper in the description below.
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Further Reading:
- Nietzsche, F., 1989. On the Genealogy of Morals, trans. Walter Kaufmann. _Basic Writings of Nietzsche_, pp.437-599.
- _The Labors of Hercules_. [online] Available at: www.perseus.tufts.edu/Herakles/labors.html
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āŒ› Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction - The Judaeo-Christian Guilt
1:49 Herakles and the Greek Relationship to Gods
4:15 In the Context of the Recent Episodes
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Nietzcshe ā€” Genealogy of Morals Ā§2.23

This should dispose once and for all of the question of how the ā€œholy Godā€ originated.

That the conception of gods in itself need not lead to the degradation of the imagination that we had to consider briefly, that there are nobler uses for the invention of gods than for the self-crucifixion and self-violation of man in which Europe over the past millennia achieved its distinctive masteryā€”that is fortunately revealed even by a mere glance at the Greek gods, those reflections of noble and autocratic men, in whom the animal in man felt deified and did not lacerate itself, did not rage against itself! For the longest time these Greeks used their gods precisely so as to ward off the ā€œbad conscience,ā€ so as to be able to rejoice in their freedom of soulā€”the very opposite of the use to which Christianity put its God. They went very far in this direction, these splendid and lion-hearted children; and no less an authority than the Homeric Zeus himself occasionally gives them to understand that they are making things too easy for themselves. ā€œStrange!ā€ he says onceā€”the case is that of Aegisthus, a very bad caseā€”

Strange how these mortals so loudly complain of the gods!
We alone produce evil, they say; yet themselves
Make themselves wretched through folly, even counter to fate.

Yet one can see and hear how even this Olympian spectator and judge is far from holding a grudge against them or thinking ill of them on that account: ā€œhow foolish they are!ā€ he thinks when he observes the misdeeds of mortalsā€”and ā€œfoolishness,ā€ ā€œfolly,ā€ a little ā€œdisturbance in the head,ā€ this much even the Greeks of the strongest, bravest age conceded of themselves as the reason for much that was bad and calamitousā€”foolishness, not sin! do you grasp that?

Even this disturbance in the head, however, presented a problem: ā€œhow is it possible? how could it actually have happened to heads such as we have, we men of aristocratic descent, of the best society, happy, well-constituted, noble, and virtuous?ā€ā€”thus noble Greeks asked themselves for centuries in the face of every incomprehensible atrocity or wantonness with which one of their kind had polluted himself. ā€œHe must have been deluded by a godā€ they concluded finally, shaking their headsā€¦This expedient is typical of the Greeksā€¦In this way the gods served in those days to justify man to a certain extent even in his wickedness, they served as the originators of evilā€”in those days they took upon themselves, not the punishment but, what is nobler, the guilt.
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@ReynaSingh

1 year ago

I suppose the problem with religion is the same with education. Eventually they become institutionalized and this brings about indoctrination

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@renaissancefairyowldemon7686

1 year ago

I alway love when Nietzche and Jung are used together, very enlightening video, Thank You. šŸ–¤šŸŒ¹

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@craigskywalker1111

1 year ago

Brilliant exposition of these traditions... Stacks of ideas, fast AF,.... well presented. Bravo, good sir.

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@TCZ17090

1 year ago

There is no Judeo-Christian, only Christian. Excellent video as always

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1 year ago

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1 year ago

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1 year ago

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1 year ago

Interesting video. This idea proposed by Jung explains why the Trojan war was prominent in so much Greek thought centuries after it occurred.

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1 year ago

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1 year ago

Itā€™s true that the Judeo-Christian tradition has placed ALL of the guilt on the mankind, which inevitably ignores that certain things in us are built in us indifferent to our will (like our bias towards close kins rather than those distant or need to have oneā€™s self validated just so they wonā€™t think their own lives as not worth sustaining). Wouldnā€™t say the Greeks were more correct but it is brave of you to point that out about one of the dominant religions openly.

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