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Jung's work and the archetypes go well beyond such dualistic views, liminality being a well known sign of the trickster archetype active in the collective unconscious and a sign of collapse and rebirth. Periods marked by widespread unconsciousness and, as you say, meaninglessness - ours has long been labelled the age of narcissism. Jung also gave us the context and the tools required to be able to adapt to large scale change and become more conscious and the more who do the work the less destructive this period will be.
"Seems to me our best chance to be spared a collective catastrophe resides in the possibility that enough people will have individual conscious encounters with the greater personality, and thereby will contribute to the process of immunizing the body social against a mass atheistic inflation. If each individual can work towards that end by diligently assimilating his projections and seeking his own unique individual encounter, then he will contribute to that immunizing process. To the extent that it can take place in the arena of the individual psyche it will not have to take place in that dreadful arena of the collective psyche." - Edward Edinger, Encounters With the Greater Personality
The widespread alienation and hostility manifested among the left and so called wokism can be seen as a collective form of the drive we see among many individuals who, due to dissociations and suffering from being alienated from their own culture/themselves and aspects of their identity, take part in self destructive behavior. So the left here are a catalyst for the liminality and omen of the de-structuring period we're entering. They want to see that happen yet propose nothing in it's place - a Thanatos drive. The fragmented state of alienation and suffering returns to wholeness in death.
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I live in a country in which nihilism and religion are strongly bound together. Religion here is a habit: people don't think about the values of their beliefs; instead, what they really care about is how that system of beliefs will make their lives better (normally prosperity or when a familiar is face to face with death in a hospital bed). Here, religion is a habit of retribution, not genuine faith. Religion is a tool for mundane gratification and political manipulation. From my perspective, I don't know about Europe and America, people have the tendency to be what Nietzsche wrote in Thus Spoke Zarathustra: The Last Man, passive nihilist who seek only comfort and routine (in this case religion routine), not caring about what values they hold.
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I like your channel. You do your homework. And always have nice artwork to accompany your meditations. Liminality could be seen as a source of nihilism. Order vs. Chaos are existential realities we have to deal with. But not just order or chaos in general but rather the order that is acceptable and the chaos that is acceptable as opposed to the unacceptable. Here I’m thinking of Ivan Karamazov’s nihilism as our encounter with too much unacceptable suffering. I think that is the real source of pessimism & nihilism. Things like order, chaos, epistemological nihilism, moral nihilism, the nihilism of Nothingness and Death, etc. - all these things wouldn’t have nearly as much purchase if we didn’t experience so much unacceptable suffering in our lives. This is the idea of theodicy vs nihilism. Not just theodicy in the theistic sense but more broadly construed as the search for meaning in all our suffering. Either there is acceptable meaning to our sufferings or we reject all possible theodicies. Initiated by Pascal, Leibniz, Voltaire, Kant, Hegel, Nietzsche, Kierkegaard - all the usual suspects and others - but above all by Dostoevsky. I go on at all too great length about this in my essay on Integral World https://www.integralworld.net/mcelroy2.html
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I'm more inclind to think that liminality is a symptom rather than a cause of the distress the modern world is in, whether that can rightly be called nihilism or not.
If we were really nihilistic in the liteal sense of the term, we would be content. Nihilism is, in practice, trying to kick the world into the way you'd like it to be pricisely because you think it means something at root, like trying to get a child to behave well by saying their rebellious attitude is, "Not like them."
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@DeadEndFrog
4 months ago
having a worldiview pushed on oneself feels terrible, being in agreement with the times is paradise, im really a man of the times, and i must say i enjoy it alot more then i would have the previous 'religious' ages. thank god i was born in this age
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