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"The Science of Editing" series is by @ThisGuyEdits and Dr. Karen Pearlman, based on her book "Cutting Rhythms - Intuitive Film Editing": amzn.to/2cqkz5J
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The comments here... I don't know what to think about them. I took the video as is, and I find Karen's ideas to be fascinating. I understand the intent to share the hidden and not well recognized history of editors before it is lost in time. Thank you for giving us your time Karen, and Thank you Sven for donating your platform.
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The editors effect is soooo broad. If anything it’s more of an ‘emotion evoking effect’.
But honestly as a female editor I am more than happy to continue using ‘Kuloshov effect‘ because every filmmaker understands it and he created the demonstration that ‘pointed it out’ as Newton did for gravity.
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It's perfectly within the norm to name concepts by who described, demonstrated, or codified them, especially when we can't really know who was the first to do/see/understand them. He did that work, so he gets that effect named after him. Nothing really shocking there.
Additionally, the "editor effect" is a really bad name, it won't catch on. If it needed to be renamed (which I don't think it does, frankly), it needs a better name.
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I thought this video was going to be about how Kuleshov effect is scientifically wrong. Please correct that title!
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The title of the Video feels "wrong". Shouldn't it be more like "kuleshow effect should be renamed"
and the reasoning of the lady seems a little bit flawed by the way. But other people have pointed that out already. So I am not writing it down.
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This video kinda feels wrong. Kuleshov never claimed it as his. Kuleshov just observed and explained it for the first time with words and also written. It was actually film historians who attirbutet his name to that effect.
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There were many things named after their popularisers, rather than inventors, and for a good reason. Tbh it sounds less like exposure of women and bringing editors up and more about erasure of Russians and non-westerners in general from what is considered to be mostly a western medium. After all, to my knowledge Kuleshov never claimed to be it's inventor (from the looks of it he tried to promote it) so you're not really retaking anything, and there are many other effects that could be renamed, but you picked this one.
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This is alright, but a lot of things aren't named after the people who discovered them, but the people who popularized them. Avogadro's Number, for example, was not calculated by Avogadro. It was based off his work, however. Leonardo Fibonacci did not first discover the Fibonacci Sequence. It was first discovered by ancient Sanskrit texts that used the Hindu-Arabic numeral system. It was, however, popularized by Fibonacci, hence the Fibonacci Sequence. Thomas Edison did not invent the lightbulb, but he built on it and popularized it, so many people attribute that to him.
I'm not saying that any of the women editors should be discredited or anything, but the naming of concepts, ideas, and inventions has never really been about who invented it first. If you want to credit the women, that's great! But all you have to do is look back through the movies that USE this editing concept and find the first time it was used, and credit THAT editor. You can't just cop out and say its the "Editor's Effect". That's kind of a dumb name. There are hundreds more "effects" that editors can pull off, and this is just one of them.
ORRRR we could just leave the name as people have known it for decades because it really doesn't matter.
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A lot of farmers must have noticed apples drop from trees, but 'Newton's law of universal gravitation is named after because he theorised about it. Should it now be Farmer's law of universal gravitation?
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I like the idea of giving the effect a new name, but the problem with 'The Editor's Effect' is that it's too plain. One of the reasons 'Kuleshov Effect' works is because the name stands out. 'Editor' does not. I think it would be hard to make even editors know immediately what you're talking about when you mention the Editor's Effect, because of the name and because editing is a lot broader than just this one thing. Now, to be fair, I don't have a good alternative at the moment. Maybe something will spark and I'll come back to this.
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I think the term 'Editor's Effect' is unable to define the exact effect which we are talking about. On the other hand, the term 'Kuleshov Effect' clearly defines which specific effect we are talking about.
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LOL this convo reminds meTarantino's editor was the amazing Sally Menke, until her untimely death. And boy can you tell the difference in quality. The latest Tarantino's movie are not as tight and quite rambling.
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In medicine you name the disese after the first person who is afflicted by it. In science you name the phenomenon after the first person who accuratly describes it. There may have been lots of female editors who were using the Kuleshov effect but to be fair he seems to have been the first person to formally describe it and as such naming it after him seems appropriate. Lots of people used gravity to prevent themselves from floating out in to space but it was Isaac Newton who describe how it functioned.
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In some ways, editors are like chefs. Yes, the material is all there but no two chefs would make the same meal out of the same food. The dish served is embued with the chef's loves, hates, desires, hopes, and desires. I would love to take a class from Dr. Pearlman. I'm looking forward to my next project and using 'The Editors Effect' ;-)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kuleshov devised this theory somewhere around 1910. Svilova started editing films in 1914, and Esfir Shub much later. So were there any other female editors? I knew that Kuleshov himself edited the films.
EDIT: No. Svilova actually started editing somewhere around 1914. Even before VGIK was formed..so yes there's a chance.
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Gravity was there..Newton pointed it out and so is everything in general. Right? patterns are everywhere, but it takes one or few observant and keen people to distinguish them out from the chaos and label them.
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This is a great piece! As an alumnus of USC School of Cinematic Arts I found this to be an incredible find. History needs to acknowledge those who did the work! I'm sure the same could be said for Thomas Edison and many other inventors of the time.
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Okay have u ever heard of the term “familiarized” ????
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Where can I find a dictionary for all such “effects” and editors tricks?
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@minkymott
3 years ago
You lost me at the "Women are being so mistreated" bullsh*t. Wish you have stayed on topic.
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