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Second update: Bryan has indeed produced a series of responses, which can be viewed here:
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Tim and I are content to let viewers watch our video, watch Bryan's videos, and come to their own conclusion. We will not be responding.
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Glad to see you've posted the link to Bryan Ross' factually thorough and very insightful rebuttal series. I would recommend viewers begin with #5, the "Recap" video, in order to get an idea of the material covered in the previous 4, and why they were necessary. Personally, I think he cleared himself of all your charges, and provided ample evidence to expose the flaws in your position, and refute your claims. It now behooves both of you, as mature believers in Christ, to give an honest answer to the reasonable questions asked of you.
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Never heard of Bryan Ross before, thanks for introducing him to me, sounds like an incredibly intelligent man of God who uses the King James
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Do you have a website where you have written articles
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15:10 just a thought - in mathematics, "exact" means completely specified, without error. For example, an exact answer to "what is the area of a circle of radius 1 unit?" is "Ļ square units". An approximate answer would be "3.14 square units". Another approximate answer would be 3.142 square units, and this one could be said to be "more exact". (Usually you would say "more precise" to avoid confusion.)
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Great stuff, Mark! Thanks for all you do.š āGOD bless you, the family, and all the brothers and sisters everywhere in the name of āJesus Christ/Yeshua Ha Mashiachā
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Bringing to light original source material as the lens for reading the preface... such a blessing. Beyond the debate, the history, charity, and clear thinking edifies my mind. Thank you gentleman.
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To be clear, in regards to the Catholic Church, when the liturgy is translated into vernacular languages like English, the Scripture readings are to be based on the ORIGINAL biblical language (with the New Vulgate as only an auxiliary tool.)
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Any average bible believer can compare the false bible versions find the errors and come to a logical conclusion the kjb is the true one.
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Good discussion. Question: Is a good translation of the inspired original texts still considered an inspired text? Not directly inspired, but a mediated inspiration, via the originals? I would think, so since we call our English Bibles "the word of God."
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A KJO might say that the translators were not fully aware of what God was doing through them to preserve a maximally perfect Bible in English. Therefore reading their own writings including the preface is not conclusive.
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I believe you both are missing the whole point of the King James Dedicatory... if you continue to read... this goes on to state that they were offering this up to their God and King... knowing full well that they were Not perfect men.. and Not inspired by God as the Apostles.. but hoping to reach the same satisfaction that Abel felt when his offering was accepted by God....
Is that NOT the goal of any man woman and child on this earth to wish to please their maker.. in their own imperfect way?...
As Jobs friend said to Job in Job 4:17... KJV
Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?
we cannot be perfect Nor can Man produce anything perfect... but the goal here was to make a translation.. more exact....precise..... and error free.. perhaps than any prior translation...
doing this with the King James.. is what makes it superior to any of the modern translations...
men of God... had a heart for God...(like Daniel) ... years ago.... Not anymore...
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59:00 And the follow-up to 'at what level of "zoom" do the differences matter?' is, "and why at that level?" In other words, is there some principled reason (and if so, what is it) for drawing the line there; or did you just draw the line such that all the versions of the KJV and all the various texts that are collectively now called the TR are on one side of it, and anything else is on the other?
1:00:00 ...but no, 1 John 5:7 isn't in all the TR editions--at a minimum, it's missing from Erasmus' first (and I think second) editions.
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Have to get to the Kjvo position regarding inerrant tr and infallible ljv due yo same inspiration as apostles had both would be failed views one can be a TR and Ljv preferred but no way can appeal to historical biblical or yexyual evidence to support Kjvo
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Do the King James Onlyists have a single good argument that stands up to even basic scrutiny? I havenāt seen one and the argument in this video certainly isnāt one.
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I don't think that the KJV needs any defenders, whether you like it or hate it, it ain't going anywhere. Also think it's a little humorous when I hear about people studying these ancient languages and then they stumble over old english words. Most of our grandparents knew the meaning of those old english words when they were five.
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on why revision stopped... because revision was associated with the commonwealth and whigs.
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Thank you, Mark and Tim - very interesting and edifying.
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Mark, I think this "response video" format is extremely helpful for those who are on the fence about the KJVO position! I think many people who are starting to question some of the major tenets of that teaching don't have the time, resources, or knowledge to form a cogent refutation of the doctrine. You gentleman just provided some very useful tools and concise arguments for combating the errors in the KJVO teachings!
Thanks for your hard work on these videos. I know they are making a difference!
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Excellent discussion, with points expressed clearly and graciously. However, I'll reiterate my perspective (maybe rant by now) that Matt 5:18's "jots and tittles" does not have to do with preservation. It's actually in some ways the opposite. First, Jesus' reference is to "the LAW" (caps added), not all of Scripture. Second, his implication is that it will pass away when it is fulfilled or accomplished. Third, in the previous verse he states that he himself came to fulfill the law. Therefore the law did indeed pass away when he fulfilled it and accomplished redemption, in the sense of the law having to do with our relationship with God. Thus Paul wrote that we are no longer under law but under grace (Rom 6:14-15), John that the law came through Moses but grace and truth through Christ (John 1:17), and the book of Hebrews explains the superiority of Christ over Moses. Am I off base with this view?
Thanks again for the informative discussion.
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@stevenhayes1611
8 months ago
Just FYI for those interested in this dialogue, Pastor Ross just this week posted a series of videos responding to this critique. Those interested can find the playlist at: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxsOQvxr_gZEKCYLItOJgn4ā¦
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