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"But," you say. "You didn't even prove with facts and logic that Dave Chappelle is a bad person, why don't you like him?"
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This isn't about whether I like or dislike a person. I don't care whether Dave fits the category of 'bad' or 'bigoted' or 'transphobic' because that's not important. If you clicked this 29 second video expecting a detailed discussion of the issues that are raised by Dave's work, that was a bit of a misstep. But I can help you out and direct you to Jessie Gender's 'The Complex Transphobia of Dave Chappelle' Ā Ā Ā ā¢Ā TheĀ ComplexĀ TransphobiaĀ ofĀ DaveĀ Chapp...Ā Ā and Kat Blaque's 'Watching Dave Chappelle's Full Special, Before Criticizing it...' Ā Ā Ā ā¢Ā WatchingĀ DaveĀ Chappelle'sĀ FullĀ Specia...Ā Ā . You can listen to people give extremely detailed explanations about why comedy is not immune from other speech in furthering bigoted ideologies, and you can learn and read about the extremely real pain and suffering inflicted every day on people because of these ideologies. It's really not that complicated and I invite commenters to open themselves up to the blatant logic of criticizing Dave's recent lazy work.
And let me add, to the several people commenting that "punching down" implies the targeted group is "down" and "lower", and these commenters are just ever so egalitarian in their perspective, so they would never view a group as "down"! Nice logic trick people but I am not convinced/fooled. The argument against punching down obviously doesn't involve claiming trans people are "worse" or "lower" in any way, other than in terms of sociopolitical power in the status quo of most societies nowadays. Dave was punching down because he was speaking (lies and misrepresentations, actually, if you look into it) about a trans fan of his ending their life, and he blamed it on harassment Dave alleges (falsely and without evidence) that this person received from the trans community. He blamed a trans person's death on trans people with no evidence, when this person was suffering for so many other reasons that could have been cited. (Ā Ā Ā ā¢Ā DaveĀ ChappelleĀ NarratesĀ theĀ SadĀ Story...Ā Ā ) One might argue that Dave was wrong to even be discussing it, because it's not his place. This is not me limiting his free speech, it's me expressing mine, and saying he was morally wrong to say many of the things he said. You also need to understand that whether you found all his other jokes about trans people's genitals funny or not, currently trans identities are under siege from the state like you have hopefully never experienced with any aspect of your identity, person reading this. (archive.is/ymrmb) I hope you never have to experience anything like this, but that's not an excuse to remain ignorant and passive in the face of the widespread targeted use of power against a minority group.
Oh, and his 'Space Jews' joke conflated Jews with Zionists. It was blatant unless you don't understand anything about Judaism and Zionism. It is a profoundly antisemitic trope to conflate Jews with Zionists. The bit was unfunny, but more importantly its antisemitic premise was clear. And again, for people who struggle to grasp this concept: I'm not calling Dave Chappelle antisemitic, because I don't care whether he is. The joke was. And that's what he's sending out into the world that actually influences others' ideologies and behavior.
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based not transphobic what's therapy???
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Sad when wealth and privilege lead ppl to lose sight of others. But it can happen to the best, maybe because wealth itself isn't all it's cracked up to be.
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More than your sound argument, your visual rhetoric (is that a thing? It's a thing now) is top shelf.
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I found this channel because I wanted to hear what someone's experience was like watching Breaking Bad after Better Call Saul. I hadn't expected some of the most nuanced, insightful, entertaining and quite frankly just generally impressive series of video essays I've ever seen. And this? You are wonderful. That's all.
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A comedic master can punch down and but you still understand their not trying to attack you. This kind of comedy often is used to get people to think, question, and can even bond people together. Although I will say some don't use for good and others have trouble understand that humor and might take it wrong.
They puch down on themselves with similarities so we understand were not much different.
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Why do you have to be so political with it? Itās always privilege this, masculinity that with you. Daveās a comedian, youāre a YouTube psychologist. Stay in your lane
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You'd hope that someone from one oppressed group would know to feel a bit of sympathy for other opposed groups but sadly that's not the case here
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Still not making a case for what punching down is. He has money and status, roughly equating to power, and he's telling jokes about people who, individually, have less money and status, roughly equating to power. There's a money and status, roughly equating to power, imbalance... okay, but is that the full sum of the point? The same point will be true for virtually every person or group of people he tells jokes about. This group is more marginalised, has less cultural power (relative to their percentage of the population this is a laughable premise, but whatever), so now it's punching down? Is there a case for why even that would be inherently wrong? We could list any number of groups of people who exist on the margins, and have MUCH less cultural power, but would this concept of punching down apply to them? Bronies? Therians? Mormons? Trekkies? Why is this group uniquely sensitive?
Perhaps the idea is instead that its wrong to devote so much time to a group that is so small, and malicious to question their ideas when their ideas only affect themselves. But, the definition and interaction with gender is not the sole property of the trans community, is it? It's relevant to, and effects, literally everybody, and this definition and interaction has been very publicly wrestled with of late - making it seem like a pertinent vein of material for a topical comedian to use for their comedy. Especially because in the core of this material is the disparity between the struggles of the black community and the struggles of the LGBT community, and the appearance of white people problems taking much greater precedence in society than black people problems, which might be why it's particularly affronting to Chapelle to be told by privileged white people who expect the world around them to actively validate their personal sense of identity, and lynch those who do not, regardless of physical reality, that he is punching down on them when he takes issue with their greater cultural power in the media than the much longer standing plight of black people in America. Just some thoughts.
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I dont get it. there are layers of things wrong with this. first off Chapelle makes fun of himself, me, you, everything. You know this when you watch him. If you don't like it why do you watch. If you are not looking to laugh why watch. If you can't laugh at yourself why watch. If i don't like the prices in a store I don't shop there. I don't ask them to close the store. Second how are gays powerless. My brother is gay and it seems he has more rights than i do. Didn't gays get Kevin Hart to quit the Oscars over a joke he told years ago. How is that powerless. So you are telling me it is ok for them to attack a comic because they don't like his joke, but he cannot use them as a topic of humor. Again who has the power here. Who is running things. Not the comic thats for sure. As a side note it is foolish to think you are going to attack Chapelle and not be a target. Nobody had a problem when his jokes were about blacks, lots of em. Nobody had a problem when his jokes were about whites, lots of em. What makes Trans, or women, or others off limits. He jokes about Mexicans ,Jews ,chinese and on and on. You know this when you watch him. If it bothers you why watch him. He can make fun of me any time he wants. Because he is funny as hell. Seems like groups today want to control people. Live your life well and let it go
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Wow post the full clip or not at allā¦ I miss being able to see dislikes because of ridiculous videos like thisā¦ get a life
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I was hoping I could see some insightful videos as I love your BCS analysis, but a little disappointed because you don't like Dave Chappelle.
I've seen his shows and I don't think he hates trans people, but I'm sorry if he's not your cup of tea.
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I completely don't understand how this special was offensive. It wasn't funny at all (I think he used the punchline 'Space Jews' more than once, and it was funny neither time) but I don't get why people feel bad about themselves after watching it. That is the nature of being offended - feeling bad. It's not just that you perceive 'punching down' (which should be entirely allowed as long as it's funny) that offends you, it's that you feel insulted. Who did Dave insult in this special?
Edit to add, punching up is a giant dogpile to the point that it has zero comedic punch anymore. Another joke about rich people being bad for having more power than you? Orange man bad, perhaps? How about instead of writing off jokes for involving disadvantaged people, we accept jokes when they're funny and don't accept them when they're unfunny?
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I have an honest question, and this is the only question I'll be asking as it is the single only question that is meaningful: Did you even watch this comedy special in it's entirety?
If you answer no, I have no fucking words to say.
If you answer yes, honestly than I'd have even lesser motive to talk to you.
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I know this video is old at this point but based on these comments I'm glad Whats Therapy posted this to root out all the ignorant Dave Chapelle fans that mightve been subscribed
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Dave really fell off
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Dave chappelle is the king of comedy, change my mind. Awesome clip bro, weird captions though. I just tried to look past them
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"Comedy doesn't punch down" spoken by people who have bad comdey routines or don't know how jokes work and dark humor. Humor doesn't care what way it punches.
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Actually, can we psychoanalyse the idea that making fun of Trans people is always specifically punching 'down'? Have we established that Trans people are, as a rule, 'down'? There aren't any successful trans folks floating around..? Even just in their own right? At all..?
And what is this position of privilege that is bandied about for Dave? Is it that he's successful himself? Because by that metric, the only people he can 'punch' (an odd choice of words, but fitting in the age of 'words = violence') would be, who, billionaires..? Hundred-millionaires? (Plus all white people lol... ?)
So instead of jokes about literally EVERYONE on Earth being free game, including ourselves, (some of us, presumably, being trans people), we have to consign our laughter and our jokes only to those who sit above us in some material, or otherwise, sense?
Oh, what joy.
Anybody that has actually seen any of Dave's specials would know he 'punches' just about everybody - up, down, and around - leaving very few 'group' or 'identity' stones unturned. And his 'punches' tend usually to carry with them some force of moral questioning and societal commentary, all be them soaked in his particular brand of humour. Wouldn't it then, given that, just be exclusionary not to have our Trans not-brothers and not-sisters in on the big joke..? (The big joke being that crazy little thing called Life)
Come on, alphabet people... Have a laugh why don't ya.
(Or just flag the comment and have it sent to the ether with all the other stuff that makes you unjustifiably unhappy)
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@leeahall7643
2 years ago
jessie gender has a good video analysing this special from a trans perspective called "the complex transphobia of dave chappelle", highly recommend it (and all her other works)
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