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Top Comments of this video!! :3
My therapist also sells therapy, he doesn't work for free. What a bastard eh? Oh and this account sells stuff too. Huh.
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The school of life video is insanely patronising especially if you have any awareness of how mental health help works and what it's actual problems are. I don't understand why there are so many channels that talk nonesense about mental health. It's already such a difficult thing to live with making people feel ashamed or dismissing actual therapies just makes it needlessly harder.
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In the UK the NHS give 6 free CBT sessions. Not seven, not six and a half. Maybe 10 if you are in acute danger. The CBT therapists do training courses that prepare them to treat clients in 12 to 20 sessions minimum, and the government refuse to pay for more than 6. That's where he got 6 to 10. The system has given CBT a bad rep in the UK, because CBT therapists and practitioners aren't allowed to do it properly, but they do the very best they can. CBT is also offered to everyone regardless of their issue, 6 sessions of CBT for PTSD, or bust, is just.. well it's just horrific.
Another note on country differences is that in the UK a lot of psychotherapists don't have degrees or did psychotherapy as an undergraduate degree, I can imagine that would be an absolute bureaucratic nightmare to work out how to figure out what level of British courses and accreditation is equivalent to a US post grad and license, and if you only offer psychotherapists with Master's, that's almost no one
CBT therapists on the other hand follow a similar pattern to the US education system, almost always psychology undergrad, masters in CBT, and you can't call yourself a CBT therapist without a masters (well I suppose you could..), whereas everyone can claim to be a psychotherapist (this is considered normal and fine and not dishonest)
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Thank you for raising awareness on how people with psychological/psychiatric struggles ARE also preyed on by marketing
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Came from your BCS/BB vids, love the therapy focused content almost more! I watched School of Life as a young and unstable teenager and never knew exactly how to feel about them, very interesting to hear your take on it :)
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"You may not cry in the first few sessions..." but you will eventually muahahaha
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I forgot to say, thanks for this video. I've been subbed to School of Life for a few years now and i really like a lot of his philosophy but this video was quite the whiplash (i don't watch all of their vids)
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Thank you! I like your perspectives as a therapist.
I used to think School of Life was an objective educational resource, but now I see that Alain de Botton (the guy behind the videos) has a very specific worldview and agenda...that often boils down to sweeping assumptions/generalizations with no basis in reality! Big Joel also made a critique of his ideas that I liked.
Basically, it's not that deep. The videos attempt to pass off preconceived beliefs as facts and logic, in the same vein as Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and other popular conservatives. Listen, I'm not a fan of drugs personally (being Chinese and still traumatized from the opium war history and all) but to insinuate that medications don't actually help people live better lives is disingenuous. I'm all for reading philosophy books to understand yourself better, but we need to separate the pseudoscience and mysticism from empirical evidence.
You're completely right -- School of Life is for rich people with a lot of time and money on their hands, and goes against the idea that mental health should be accessible to everyone. Pretentious, elitist, and ultimately unreliable. May be helpful for some, but I'd take the ideas with a grain of salt and listen to some Zizek instead -- at least he's entertaining.
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The fact that this is an advert disgusts me
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idk man it seems you just want to get pedantic about every word he speaks, like "play around with brain chemistry" is not some malicious or dangerous way of putting it at all, its not like joe rogan fucking dishing out ivermectin to people or something.
I've read his books, and he's pretty clear in his thinking and the way he expresses his ideas etc. The yt channel thing is definitely something more of a light note way to put out ideas to people on a larger scale instead of getting very detail-oriented like you want it to be i guess.
this video does a lot to paint psychotherapy in a way so that more people take the chance and approach it and find it acceptable. what's the point of talking about this in a very academic style and just further pushing the idea that its some complex intervention.
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Really interesting perspective on The School of Life. You have made me view their videos more objectively. Someone else has explained the CBT session number issue in the UK in its floundering mental health system. Also, De Botton is training to become a psychotherapist I read. As a counsellor, I felt strongly he is sidelining CBT and the aim is to ensure psychotherapy wins in the modality race! I practise using both models and different clients require different approaches.
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How can you get so irate about this and then advertising your services on your own profile?
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Hi, I'm not from the UK but I've heard that CBT through the National Health Services there is very limited in terms of the number of sessions.
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i remember when the algorithm first gave me school of live videos i was like 'oh this is cute' but then you listen to what he says and alot of the times its nonsense
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10 weeks CBT is the norm here in Sweden. we seemingly don't have enough therapists as i've been shopping around and all the clinics connected to universal health care has this. if i want perpetual therapy i have to go private, which is usually 2-3 times more expensive. i do believe it's similar in the UK with the NHS limiting therapy like that but i haven't looked it up.
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The CBT/psychotherapy distinction is absolutely enshrined within the Australian healthcare system, where the government will only subsidise 6 sessions with a psychologist, with 4 additional sessions available on request, whereas if you manage to secure a referral to a psychiatrist you get 50 sessions a year. It entirely plausible this same distinction exists in all government healthcare systems, so there's a whole lot being hinged on your "at least not in the US" line.
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I would love to see more videos like this. Now to go check out some more of your awesome content. Also, big thank you for talking about how cost prohibitive mental health care is.
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I have come to loathe those who sell themselves as the only real solution. Having had to deal with psychological issues for over a decade that’s the biggest red flag for me.
School of Life seems to have taken a page out of the spirit healer notebook here.
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Oh that modern world, at it again
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@rustyjames6131
2 years ago
The School of Life really gives me a 19th century "gentleman scientist" "have some cocaine for that" vibe.
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