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Why does this seem like an economics explained vid without the leaderboard to me?
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"With all that being said now it's time to see how well mandatory military conscription stacks up on the Economics Explained economic Leaderboard"
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There are two big problems with comparing veteran with non-veteran households, at first blush: 1) Because the Armed Forces are over 80% male, so veteran households, by definition, have men in them. Not a lot of single mother veteran households, for example. 2) Armed Forces have recruitment standards. This means that people with severe handicaps are automatically excluded from your cohort. This also militates against conditions which are highly correlated with poverty.
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6:54 What a stupid take, especially what comes to Sweden and Finland. We only need to consider the security situation at the Baltic Sea for a second or two before realizing that Finland and Sweden do not have any other realistic option than the conscription for their security concerns.
"Kasakka ottaa kaiken, mitkä lähtee irti". A Cossack will take everything that is loose.
-Sauli Niinistö, ex president of Finland
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I have grown to realise that National Military Service is a net benefit to society.
It teaches some very valuable lessons:
Handling discomfort and hardship
Teamwork
Working for a common goal
Duty
Service
And very importantly in this social media age, it teaches kids that they are NOT the centre of the universe, and that their greatest achievements will most likely come from cooperation.
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I’m an Aussie and was conscripted back in 1967 and subsequently did a tour in Vietnam. Now whilst I have some issues as a result, I have always felt that it instilled a sense of self confidence and discipline in those that went through the program, inc myself. I have no regrets!
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Pretty weird video. China, Russia, Turkey and Israel also use conscription, these are among the largest militaries in the world but never mentioned in this video. And video never answered the question it asked: So is conscription a good idea or not?? Sorry but nobody cares if conscription damaging Syria's economy as country spent last decade in civil war. Its also pretty pointless to debate if DR Congo or Eritrea's economy is harmed by conscription or not, they are already failed states with failed economies even if they didn't have a standing army. Finally, some of your points were "ignorant" to say the least. Single most decisive factor in Russia's failures in Ukraine was the serious lack of manpower. And that was because Russia's laws prohibited use of conscripts outside of territory of Russia. Had Russia used its conscripts in day#1, they would have overwhelmed Ukraine like 3 to 1 in manpower, and Ukraine probably never would have saw any hope of resistance. Since Russia didn't, mobilised Ukraine outnumbered Russia like ~2.5 to 1 and made very successful counter offensives in the beginning, despite critically lacking in armor and airpower. When Russia also called partial mobilisation, troop ratio was like 1 to 1 and slowly shifting into Russia's favor every day; so does the movement of the front. All of this alone should have taken 5 minutes of this video. Because it proves a) yes manpower is still very, very important in modern battlefield. b) conscripts and mobilisations CAN provide serious manpower c) its difficult to legally and tactically utilize conscripts.
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Finland and Sweden just joined nato because they have a threat and historically have had the same threat for the long haul. They maintain mandatory military service because that threat has never gone away.
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Rich countries that practice conscription are often neutral, or share a border with a geopolitical advisory. Finland, up until recently, is a good example. Their militaries are fundamentally defensive and are structured to oppose an invasion. However, it isn't practical for them to maintain a standing military with that capability. The purpose of conscription in these countries is primarily training. It provides them with a large pool of military-trained civilians who can be mobilized virtually overnight in a scenario when they wouldn't have months necessary to train them to the same standard from scratch.
Ukraine is a good example of this model being successful in practice. Regardless of the final outcome it was a crucial part of their ability to raise their forces in the first weeks.
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Norway does not have mandatory conscription. We used to have it for men, but today they only takes about 1/3 of young people (of both genders). If you dont want to, you just say that you dont want to and they will not ask you to serve
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Universal national service requirements make a great deal of sense, as long as they are not exclusively military, exclusively male, and don't make unnecessary and potentially controversial exceptions for special interest groups. Minimal defense-oriented training, along with other public service provision, and (hopefully benevolent) training in social responsibilities can be very valuable contributors to healthy societies. Public service and productivity are definitely not mutually exclusive.
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+: pretty good deterrent.
+: very democratic, the soldiers are the people.
+: educational, large portions of population has basic first-aid, gun safety, out-doors skills.
+: more informed public opinion on military matters.
+: cheap for tax-payer, soldiers get payed very little.
-: soldiers get payed very little.
-: conscripts generally make worse soldiers.
-: limited ROI on training / cutting corners on training to save money.
-: opportunity cost, people could be doing something more useful.
-: students who do military service before attending university,
generally do worse academically than those who did not have a "gap year" (controversial)
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0:25 technically Brazil has mandatory military service, it should be painted on that picture.
All men when they reach 18 years old have to apply, just do the paperwork. And then it comes the day when you "swear on the flag", when 90+% of candidates are dismissed, so it usually ends here for everyone. If one is actually interested in joining the army (or if he's unlucky enough), the candidate goes to some rounds of medical checks when they dismiss more people, and only then the few that remain are accepted into the military.
So it's kind of mandatory, but more of a rite of passage than actually military service.
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But can economists predict the future??? I need to know!
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In Israel our army trains future entrepreneurs in many cases: leadership, cyber security, engineering, programming, defense, etc. It becomes a hyper educational track. Weird it isn't mentioned one in the video
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Most of the time spent in college is simply about “proving” youll perform obedience and busy work so potential employers can then justify hiring you. Most people remember little of what they learned in college, if they learned anything at all. Particularly in soft sciences, college doesnt “prepare” anyone in a way they couldnt have prepared on their own. So shifting people from college to the military would have negligible consequences economically IMO, and potentially a lot of benefits for young people and society in general.
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Some are needed like, for example, Israel. But countries Brazil that has a large population really dont need it
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I’m surprised Israel isn’t mentioned once
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I think mandatory military service is a good idea for a small minority of countries. Basically those with a small active volunteer military (generally because of a small population but can be for other reasons) and a credible neighbouring threat to their sovereignty. In those cases you may need as many of your citizens as reservists as possible so you can basically mobilise your entire country at practically a moments notice to fight a defensive war. Somewhere like Finland, it makes sense, they check both boxes. South Korea does too to some extent.
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@yuvalw7543
4 weeks ago
It's very weird that a video on this topic fails to mention Israel, who despite what you might think of its actions, is a very interesting case of compulsory service.
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