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Bernardo Kastrup and Rupert Sheldrake: The Nature of the Cosmic Mind, with Jonas Atlas
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47,891 Views • Jan 4, 2024 • Click to toggle off description
Both Rupert and Bernardo Kastrup are outspoken critics of mechanical materialism. They share a strong focus on questions about consciousness and its relation to the formation of reality. While their ideas exhibit considerable overlap, there are also apparent divergences. Yet, surprisingly, they have not engaged in a public discussion about some of their core interests. That is why Jonas Atlas thought it would be a good idea to bring them together for a hosted dialogue. He sensed that such an exchange could cast a new light on age-old philosophical debates. For example, Bernardo is a strong proponent of idealism, while Rupert often presents a more trinitarian view of existence. This difference (or is it perhaps similarity?) provided a good starting point for a deep discussion on the nature of the cosmic mind. As the conversation unfolded, exploring the inherent consciousness underlying all reality in its deepest depths and highest heights, they both reinforced and nuanced each other’s perspectives. The result is a thought-provoking dialogue about various insights that philosophy, theology, and science have to offer about the divine essence of existence.

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00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:32 Part 1: monistic idealism or trinitarian panentheism?
00:16:15 Part 2: what are some good metaphors to describe the conscious ground of existence?
00:20:33 Part 3: approach these questions analytically, allegorically or experimentally?
00:24:08 Part 4: how do the universal consciousness and its expressions interact?
00:34:19 Part 5: if consciousness is all there is, why does matter seem to be unconconscious?
00:40:46 Part 6: are the smallest particles conscious?
00:50:20 Part 7: are large cosmic entities conscious?
01:01:10 Part 8: does the whole cosmos have a mind of its own?
01:03:26 Part 9: why does the unity of the cosmic mind express itself in multiplicity?
01:14:19 Some final words of appreciation

Bernardo Kastrup is the executive director of Essentia Foundation. His work has been leading the modern renaissance of metaphysical idealism, the notion that reality is essentially mental. He has a Ph.D. in philosophy and another Ph.D. in computer engineering. As a scientist, Bernardo has worked for the European Organization for Nuclear Research and the Philips Research Laboratories. He has also had a 25-year career in high-technology, having co-founded parallel processing company Silicon Hive and worked as a technology strategist for the geopolitically significant company ASML, for 15 years. Formulated in detail in many academic papers and books, Bernardo's ideas have been featured on Scientific American, the magazine of The Institute of Art and Ideas, the Blog of the American Philosophical Association and Big Think, among others. Bernardo's 11th book, coming in Octobre 2024, is Analytic Idealism in a Nutshell: A straightforward summary of the 21st-century's only plausible metaphysics.

www.bernardokastrup.com/
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youtube.com/@essentiafoundation

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Jonas Atlas is a scholar of religion who writes and lectures on religion, politics, and mysticism. Though rooted within the Christian tradition, Jonas immersed himself into various other traditions, from Hinduism to Islam. After his studies in philosophy, anthropology, and theology at different universities, he became active in various forms of local and international peace work, often with a focus on cultural and religious diversity. Jonas currently teaches classes on ethics and spirituality at the KDG University of Applied Sciences and Arts. He is also an independent researcher at the Radboud University, as a member of the Race, Religion and Secularism network. His latest book is Religion: Reality Behind the Myths: bit.ly/3U40s39

jonasatlas.net/
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Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.

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@luisortega4991

4 months ago

The care with which Bernardo talks to and about Rupert is very moving.

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@sveinreinr4606

4 months ago

This is great! For two days ago I thought it would be interesting to hear Rupert Sheldrake in conversation with Bernardo Kastrup. I searched on YouTube, but unfortunaly couldnt find any. And voila, here it is. ❤🙏😀

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@RobertBowerNexus

3 months ago

How a discussion with two of the finest minds on the most important subject of our time should be conducted. Gratitude to each involved!

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@adamstephens9043

4 months ago

I've waited ten years for this. It did not disappoint.

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@neilrushton7169

4 months ago

Wonderful, respectful and deep conversation between two fantastic thinkers. Thanks to Jonas for bringing them together.

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@evoloveable

4 months ago

Don't know who stated this - "God doesn't care who does the flying - as long as flying takes place". Many come to the same insight at the same time. And one being is credited with the totality of its coming into being - when it came into consciousness for many. I see 'movement' as that which brings into being (consciousness manifest) - water is that which facilitates that - a rock becomes soil - earth brings forth plant form - hence animal form. Rudolph Steiner's insights points out how we study and see things - without questioning the movement of the 'finger' that 'moves' all things in the first place. LOVE this sharing of insights shared here THANK YOU all.

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@CosmicConsciousness594

4 months ago

This is by far one of the greatest discussions I have ever watched if not the greatest..

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@jcinaz

4 months ago

The focus of any philosophy is about what is regarded as reality. To the Materialist, matter is reality. To the Idealist, consciousness is reality. From Sheldrake's perspective, he seems to identify reality as energy where the source or cause of energy is a trinity of consciousness. But that to me is still an idealist perspective where consciousness is fundamental.

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@oliviergoethals4137

4 months ago

Finally a talk between these two.

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@WhiteStoneName

4 months ago

Rupert's answer about "Is he an idealist or how does he position himself?" from 2:45 - 9:22 is great. I need to timestamp this to send to all my friends. What a great little summary of my own view but more clearly and articulately summarized (or just in another's voice). Beautiful laying out of a trinitarian ontology (panentheism). Although the lines btw that and pantheism become difficult to draw...

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@cheri238

3 months ago

Thank you, all of you!! I am fortunate again to be able to listen to this enlightening discussion. I have been aware of Krishnamurti for years. Mr. Sheldrake, was that you and David Bohm and many others speaking with Krishnamurti many years ago? Plus, I found through gaining books by Sonu Shamdasani, "The Redbook," Libra Novus edited and with an Introduction by Sonu Shamdasani and other Jungian analysts informative. I love philosophy, history, science, religions, literature, art, and creativity. I have bought both books, also by Dr. Iian McGilchrist and have been fortunate to have listened to others with various backgrounds in many different fields, discussing with each other how we all may work together towards the betterment of humanity. I was fortunate enough to watch Mr. Sheldrake and Bernardo Kastrup,in some of these conversations with Dr. Iain McGilchrist. Heraclitus stated that one may never step into the same river twice. A general definition of civilization: a civilized society exhibiting the fine qualities of truth, beauty, adventure, art, and peace. Alfred North Whitehead 🙏❤️🌏🌿🕊🎵🎶🎵

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@duncanmckeown1292

4 months ago

Fascinating discussion! Two of my favourite thinkers talking together! I'm glad they see eye to eye with each other on so much...since I find myself agreeing with both of them most of the time.

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@morphixnm

4 months ago

That was a wonderful conversation, especially for myself and othrrs who have been following Rupert and Bernardo closely for years. Much appreciated!

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@BigJack512

4 months ago

Been waiting for this conversation between Rupert and Bernardo and wow is right.

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@VitorSantos-ib5dn

4 months ago

Bernardo and Rupert are undeniably two brilliant minds. I don't consider myself up to the task of refuting what they say. What I ask myself is how useful what they say is in reducing my suffering and the suffering of humanity in general. Refuting metaphysical materialism is interesting, but, in practice, people who call themselves materialists or physicalists do not behave in a way that is consistent with what they defend. Neither people who defend metaphysical idealism nor spiritualists behave in a manner consistent with what they defend, with rare exceptions. Descartes said: I think, therefore I am. I say: I suffer, therefore I exist. Materialists had an answer to definitively end suffering: death. The total annihilation of the conscious being, although it had the consequence that, for the dead person, it didn't matter whether he lived or not, since mortal remains were not conscious beings, who could remember the life that ended. Neither Rupert nor Bernardo leave an answer to the problem of human suffering. Bernardo goes so far as to say that we are monkeys. What difference does this make to what those who defend metaphysical materialism claim? On the other hand he says that we are a dissociation from the mind of God. If we suffer, does God suffer with us? If he suffers, what hope do we have of stopping suffering? If we are just a wave in the ocean, which dissolves with death, what is the point of knowing that we are part of the ocean? They're just words. If I am the ocean then I am a solipsist. Either I am a part of God and the dissolution of the dissociation that death brings allows me to maintain a kind of individuality, or else I am like a sand castle, which falls apart when the ocean covers the sand. Do I suffer and not exist individually? What does it mean to be someone who suffers? Is it God who suffers through me?

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@jennyrook

4 months ago

A lovely and deep conversation.... Definitely the Sun is conscious, and came to me (with a strongly atheistic background) because its contact with us before has so often led to religions, in Egypt, Southern and Central Americas, countless indiginous peoples, Hinduism etc. The Sun acts in our lives and blesses us. Just move from shadow out into the Sun. In the UK, here, it always feels wonderful. In warmer climes, the power is overwhelming. What is more beautiful than the dawn, and our depictions of it (Ravel, Strauss, Turner, photographs in anyone's facebook feed etc). Much sunny love to all.

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@greensleeves7165

4 months ago

That was a terrific conversation gentlemen. More similarities than differences and each was respectful of the other. The moderator also did well by not asserting himself too strongly into the mix. Hopefully there will be future episodes with this same pairing!

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@chrisallard1819

4 months ago

Magnificent to finally hear these two together. I’ve spent many hours reading and listening to both Rupert and Bernardo - joyous to hear this - and excellent interviewing… Many thanks

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@WhiteStoneName

4 months ago

21:45 "We live in a culture today where people mistake nuanced layers of meaning for vagueness and imprecision." Amen. Glory. Could not have said it better.

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@jamesridener3573

3 months ago

A fine example of dialogue over debate. This is the way we grow together.

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