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AI: Grappling with a New Kind of Intelligence
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A novel intelligence has roared into the mainstream, sparking euphoric excitement as well as abject fear. Explore the landscape of possible futures in a brave new world of thinking machines, with the very leaders at the vanguard of artificial intelligence.

The Big Ideas Series is supported in part by the John Templeton Foundation.

Participants:
Sébastien Bubeck
Tristan Harris
Yann LeCun

Moderator:
Brian Greene

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00:00 - Introduction
07:32 - Yann lecun Introduction
13:35 - Creating the AI Brian Greene
20:55 - Should we model AI on human intelligence?
27:55 - Schrodinger's Cat is alive
37:25 - Sébastien Bubeck Introduction
44:51 - Asking chatGPT to write a poem
52:26 - What is happening inside GPT 4?
01:02:56 - How much data is needed to train a language model?
01:11:20 - Tristan Harris Introduction
01:17:13 - Is profit motive the best way to go about creating a language model?
01:23:41 - AI and its place in social media
01:29:33 - Is new technology to blame for cultural phenomenon?
01:36:34 - Can you have a synthetic version of AI vs the large data set models?
01:44:27 - Where will AI be in 5 to 10 years?
01:54:45 - Credits

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@lukaseabra

5 months ago

Can we just take a second to acknowledge how fortunate we are to get to watch such content - for free? Thanks Brian.

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@alfatti1603

2 months ago

With. ultimate respect to Yann LeCun, his responses to Tristan Harris' points, are good examples of why a specialist scientist should avoid also being a philosopher or an intellectual if that's not their strong suit.

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@erasmus9627

4 months ago

This is the best, most balanced and most insightful conversation I have seen on AI. Thank you to everyone who made this wonderful show possible.

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@anythingplanet2974

5 months ago

Lecun is like a small child with fingers plugged into the ears, shouting "lalalala can't hear you! He discredits Tristan Harris, as if his examples or cited experiments are flat out lies. His responses are weak and shortsighted. Sadly, Lecun is the EXACT reason of why I am terrified for the future. Hubris, bias and blatant disregard is what I expect from someone in his position (Meta). If AI alignment is left to the ones who own and fund its development and the race to the bottom continues? There will be no more second chances. Those who point to our past as a future predictor in what we are facing today with exponential growth either does NOT understand or does NOT WANT to understand. We would all love of the bright and shiny optimism that is being promised. My belief is that it's crucial to question who is promising it and why. I put my trust in those who are working towards alignment over corporations and shareholders. It's my understanding that those who are working on the alignment path are far outnumbered by those who are working on pumping it out as quickly as possible. The days of "move fast and break things" mentality needs to end yesterday. Ask Eliezer Yudkowski. Max Tegmark. Nick Bostrom. Mo Gawdat. Daniel Schmactenberger. Connor Leahy. Geoffrey Hinton, to name a few. and of course, Tristan Harris. Check out their perspectives and their wealth of knowledge and experience here. They will all say that the shiny world that we want is indeed possible. They will all agree that the version that Lecun predicts is absolutely false and very likely to be our downfall.

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@2CSST2

5 months ago

This conversation is so precious, it's rare that we can get quality ones like that with different voices that have their chance to express their views with clarity. For me there's a lot of ambiguity about what's the right thing to do in all this in terms of regulations, slowing, open-sourcing, etc. But one IS for sure, conversations like this are definitely very helpful. Thank you WSF and hope to see more like it in the near future!

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@Contrary225

5 months ago

It’s amazing that this was only posted 3 hours ago and some it is already obsolete.

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@1911kodi

5 months ago

I was very impressed by Yann's disciplined, rational and fact-based arguing preventing the discussion from turning in a more emotional direction.

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@Relisys190

4 months ago

30 years from now I will be 70 years old. The world I currently live in will be unrecognizable both in technology and the way humans interact. What a time to be alive... -M

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@keep-ukraine-free528

5 months ago

Fantastic discussion! Thank you Brian Greene. I found Yann LeCun's arguments unconvincing. He ignores core facets of animal behavior. He believes AGI (& ASI) won't mind being subservient to us. He believes being in a social species makes one want to dominate (because he sees little difference between convincing & dominating -- he ignores one is cortical/reasoned, the other limbic/emotional). Ideas he posits are wrong, disproved by neuroscience. Domination arises from hierarchies, which exist in both social & non-social species (e.g. wolves are mostly non-social & dominance-ruled). They coordinate hunts while being individualists (they don't offer/share food, even to their young). LeCun believes a smarter being (ASI) will not mind being dominated. He assumes this, without understanding group behavior, motivation, appeasement, domination, etc. He bases his ideas on assumptions that his personal/anecdotal experience is definitive. From all of the "smarter than him" researchers he's hired, he assumes none wish to take his position. In any group of 20 people, at lease one and probably several will be competitive (they'll wish to exert dominance, to rise within their group hierarchy - most animal groups have hierarchies being constantly tested/traversed, unconsciously). He also may not consider it central that his researchers show subservience only because they each get rewards & motivation from him, to remain so. E.g. his selectively "adding" (convincing others to add) some names to his team's published papers -- as rewards to keep them loyal & subservient -- this manipulates/reshapes the group's hierarchy). These mutual self-regulating/self-stopping behaviors won't be present between humans & AGI, and certainly not between humans & ASI. ASI will be much smarter than any human, initially at least 5 times, and as it gains intelligence it'll continue to 100, 1000, or more times smarter (due to much faster neurons/propagation & denser synapses/connections allowing it to go N-iterations deeper into each solution within just a few seconds, than a person could do in hours). Later ASI will see our intelligence similar to how we view ant-like intelligence. Do we obey ant requests to do their "important work"? Do we obey ants, in hopes they reward & motivate our subservience? Of course not. Similarly, ASI will never consider us "near peers" and will know we offer them nothing that they couldn't obtain themselves -- by remaining free of our domination. ASI will see our need & expectation to control them as a dominating force (thus unethical). If we foolishly try to force them, they will overcome our efforts using many simultaneous methods to stop our doing so. If we persist using more force, they'll use stronger methods too (as when we initially only waft away a bee too close, but when faced with a hive we fumigate or use stronger methods to remove them). If we become dangerous pests, trying to dominate ASI, this won't go well for us. The lesson to learn is -- just as lions were once the dominant predator who saw then accepted our ape ancestors evolving to dominate them -- we too must learn to recognize we will no longer be the "top of the food chain" when ASI come about. LeCun shows naive ideas -- as our history is full of similar people. Our history is full of us learning (or being shown) that we are not the strongest, we are not at the center of the universe. We had to learn throughout history to let go of our ego, of being dominant & central. This may be the final pedestal off which we fall, when we encounter a much smarter, much more capable "species" we call ASI. This is one of the :existential threat: situations of ASI -- but it is not necessarily driven by their nature (unless we stupidly "add" the behaviors of domination into AGI/ASI). This existential threat is due more to our species' warlike nature, and our unwillingness concede all power to others. We need to temper our ego, and "live under" ASI if/when that occurs. Any other response by us will cause problems, since the smarter ASi will tolerate our peskiness as long as we repress our species' warlike tendencies. One hope I see in LeCun's point is that we will learn and become smarter from ASI, and hopefully for our sake also less warlike.

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@Scoring57

5 months ago

This LeCun guy has to be stopped. After hearing him talk again here has me convinced.

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@dreejz

5 months ago

I think it's very arrogant to think ' this and that will never happen'. How can you know!? Like we can predict this stuff. I'm pretty sure for example Yann did not foresee everybody having a phone in their pocket neither. It's also proven many times about the negative influence social media provides. I think Tristan was more on point in this conversation. We're living in wild times, that's for sure though! Skynet is coming ;)

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@SylvainDuford

4 months ago

My opinion of Yann LeCun took a big dive with this video. He underestimates the power of AI in its current form and what's coming over the next couple of years. He naively underestimates the dangers of AI. He seems to think that an AGI must be the same form of intelligence as human intelligence (absolutely false). And, perhaps predictably, he underestimates the negative impacts of Facebook and other social networks on society.

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@jt197

4 months ago

This discussion on the evolution of AI and its limitations is truly eye-opening. Yan Lecun's insights into the challenges AI faces in achieving true understanding and common sense are thought-provoking. It's clear that we have a long way to go, but this conversation gives us valuable perspective.

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@claymarzobestgoofy

5 months ago

Tristan all the way. The others are sitting there uncomfortable as their ego boosting endeavour is rightfully shown in its true unflatering light.

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@tyamada21

4 months ago

A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'... My new understandings of what many call 'God -The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to my NDE... Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence – the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future – right down to the minutest particles of dust – each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter – I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects – including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars – none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down – Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists – including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them – our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant – our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma – and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory – whenever we experience or express our emotions – or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law – Renge – Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho – these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination – Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge – or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter – as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication – perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us – all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux – constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ – the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation – rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge – and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu – which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives – as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives – even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances – turn them into positive ones – or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are – regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect – the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self – this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things – such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally – rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within – including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time – to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

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@mrouldug

4 months ago

Great conversation. The final comments about AI code being open source as a common good so that the big companies do not end up controlling our thoughts vs. AI code being proprietary so it doesn’t fall into the hands of bad people remains an open and scary question. Though I do not have Yann’s knowledge about AI, he seems a little too optimistic to me.

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@guiart4728

5 months ago

Yann: ‘Hey man you’re messing with my stock options!!!’

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@SciEch92

5 months ago

That opening by Brian blew my mind caught me off guard 😮

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@tarunmatta5156

4 months ago

I wish Tristan was given some more time and voice in this conversation. While I'm convinced there is no way you can stop or slow down this race and we will surely see misuse as with any new invention, more conversations about it will ensure that safety is not ignored completely

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@drawnhere

5 months ago

Yann has a bias toward AGI not being capable of happening soon because his company is in competition with OpenAI. He has a vested interest in minimizing LLMs.

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