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On that last point about the "arrogance", I once took a class where the teacher took a line of dialogue and said to cut it. I was fine with most of her advice but that phrase was, in my opinion, important and even vital to keep. That said, if she said to cut it, I knew that something about the flow in that section must be off. I altered and restructured the entire section of the page just to keep that line. When I submitted the edit, she circled it and remarked that it was "much improved". It felt extremely rewarding because I had simultaneously "won the argument" by keeping the line but also greatly improved the quality of that section of the story. The challenge of the "amicable adversary" is one that is not only good IN a story, but great for writing one too.
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33:50 - I'm glad he talked about subverting expectations in a positive way. So many poor examples today show that giving the audience what they don't want, in an unexpected way, is unsatisfying, almost insulting, and they almost always reject it. Giving them what they want, in an unexpected way, is satisfying. Which is probably the only way to keep them coming back for more.
And what the audience wants is that the author follow through on their promises (aka the stuff hinted at with the hook at the beginning, as well as other setup/foreshadowing, etc.). You really have to be careful now, because trust is not so readily given in this regard anymore, especially to new writers.
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In Neil's lesson on short stories, I love the example he gave on the pirate queen Anne Bonny now hidden in polite society with her little girl Mary, and the possibility of Mary being put in danger and Anne having to become the pirate she use to be again to save her. I put that concept in my story idea binder
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Great video! I took his masterclass when I was just getting into writing a few years ago, and the ending piece of advice stuck with me as well. I love the complexity in his thought about rejection: You must both be humble and display an arrogance normally reserved for 7 year-old boys =P Love it!
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I love the Snow White example that Neil Gaiman gives, purely because it reminds me of a meme I made when I was like 14, which was basically exactly this. It was a photo of the true love kiss scene from Disney's Snow White when she's lying in the coffin. The text I wrote read 'its not true love, it's necrophilia' and now Neil Gaiman has made 14 yr old me feel like a literary genius. 😅
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i gotta say i disagree with the "you gotta find it within yourself" schitck. Its an outright disease now for readers/critics to bash writers based on something their characters did. Oh they wrote it, so this must be their opinion. which is nonsense. As writers, we need to talk about the fact that we are not our characters.
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Finally got around to watching this. Great stuff, Jed.
I really enjoyed the three foundational principles of short stories bit and the key principles in developing dialogue. Both were very intriguing and informative!
"Dialogue and character are the two legs a character needs to walk" is such a genius sentence. Neil is a treasure.
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