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As Succession reached its conclusion, the show completed so many arcs it set up at the very beginning and sent some powerful messages. And it was ultimately about how difficult it is for adults to escape deeply ingrained childhood dynamics, even if (maybe especially if) they're in high-powered successful environments. Getting ahead in the world often demands of us to be our most immature, combative, unevolved childish selves. So where did Succession leave Shiv, Kendall, Roman, Tom, and Waystar Royco in the end? And what did it all mean?
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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO
00:57 IT ALL COMES DOWN TO SHIV
04:56 TOM THE PAIN SPONGE
09:18 SHIV & TOM, THE MISERABLE POWER COUPLE
14:24 KENDALL, WITH OPEN EYES
19:55 ROMAN, FINALLY FREE?
21:27 NEVERENDING CHILDHOOD DRAMA
22:50 GREG, BACK TO SQUARE ONE
24:32 IT'S ALL... NOTHING
CREDITS
Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah McCullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah McCullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Browner
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Views : 197,519
Genre: Entertainment
Date of upload: Jun 1, 2023 ^^
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I think you're giving Shiv way too much credit. I think it's been proven repeatedly throughout the series that Shiv's major flaw is that she isn't as smart as she really thinks she is.
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I took Mattheson saying he wanted to have sensual relations with Shiv in front of him, part because he did, but also because he wanted to see how Tom would act in order to confirm that he is willing to be a puppet pain cushion.
And Tom swallowed his pride and acted accordingly.
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I wish you also covered Connor. He kept himself out of the family business, yet seem to have known Logan the best among the siblings.
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âWe are bullshit, we are nothingâ that statement makes Roman the winner to me. He accepted his reality
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the fact that Kendall also goes from being extremely protective over Roman and his children over Logan's violence to perpetuating that violence towards Roman twice in the final episode (as well as possibly going after Shiv and only being restrained by Roman) is something that I don't think is talked about as much as some of Kendall's other heel face turns
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I feel like Tom actually loved Shiv in the first seasons but given all the issues they had he decided to be loyal to Logan rather than Shiv as his relationship's status was so volatile.
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Shiv lost cause she misjudged Mattson and overplayed her hand with him. She couldnât read him well enough to see that he didnât want an equal, he wanted a lapdog.
She herself kept telling him Tom was a ass kisser, putting the idea into his head while showing him she would never do the same.
Think itâs a biased take to read that as âShiv played it better but lost cause sheâs a woman.â Quite reductive and makes for a much less interesting character.
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Just a little correction - itâs wrong to assume Shiv secured her future childâs succession because Tom doesnât own the company. Mattson does who can replace him just as easily as he appointed him. CEO positions in companies you donât own are not hereditary. Also I donât think Shiv betrayed Kendell because he was turning into Logan. Because she flimsily uses the manslaughter as an excuse before Kendell starts lying about making that up - if that had been an issue she wouldâve never aligned herself with Kendell in this episode. I think the company is what their father loved the most so winning the company would mean winning his approval and she couldnât stand to watch that happen.
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Greg is Tom. And Tom sees that. I didn't see Tom putting the sticker on Greg as only about owning him now. I saw it as seeing himself in Greg and bringing him along as the new Tom. And when Greg gets the power he desires he'll get his own Greg to Greg him, becoming Tom, and perpetuating that cycle.
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In S3 when Shiv told Tom explicitly âI donât love youâ how can she be surprised that she went behind her back and sided with her father in law? Be honest.
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Shivâs biggest flaw in everything she does is she can only think about herself. Just like Kendall, she did not learn from her father Logan to see what people wants and use it as leverage. Logan understands the ATN audience, he understands and orchestrated what his children wants (CEO) and constantly dangling it to their face for them to do what he wants.
Shiv never tries to understand what Tom wants, or what Matsson wants. They constantly tells her, even to her face, but sheâs so self entitled that she wonât listen.
If she understands and considers what Tom wants and need, they would have been a truly powerful dynamic and win the game much earlier. If she understands what Matsson wants, she would have tone down her aggressiveness and âgirl bossâ attitude and sucking up to Matsson more as the puppet. Even to Greg, she threatens him without giving him anything, which lead to him selling her out.
She canât be considerate because she thinks sheâs smarter than every men out there. That arrogance is what lead to her downfall.
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It occurs to me that the happiest people in the family are Connor and Caroline - the two who have most divorced themselves from Logan and the Family Business. This is also why Roman is possibly the happiest (or at least the least unhappy) of the three in the end. Shiv is literally married to the business, and Kendall has no concept of being anything other than Loganâs heir apparent. Roman, like his mother and half brother, is free of it all, and he sees it the most clearly.
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There was in fact a lot of misoginy in shivâs life and in the company, however, that was not the reason she lost. In the end, it was because she was as incompetent as her brothers, she got played by mattson and she never really had a shot of becoming the CEO , but not because sheâs a woman, but because she never had any proper experience inside the company, and thatâs all her fault.
In the finale, she did not make a strategic choice of backstabbing her brother, she did that because she could not bear to see him being the boss, and I saw people saying âbut now sheâs married to the boss and will give birth to his childâ, but Tom is not the boss, heâs just a guy in a suit that Mattson needs so he can rule. The company belongs to Mattson now, and there is no way in hell that she can takeover from him, while she would have a big chance of taking Kendall down, she was rash and infantile in her decision, and Kendall and Roman were also childish in their demeanor in that final moment.
In the most important moment of their lifes, none of them were âserious peopleâ, just big children fighting for a big toy.
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Logan won.
The deal was made.
The kids got nothing they really wanted.
âBecause. I. Win.â
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Shiv is the most dangerous of the 3 siblings! You seemed to paint her as this almost victim when she is a malignant narcissist and the most like her father. She used people to get her way constantly and tells herself that she is "altruistic " and a better person than her siblings. But the clue is in her nickname Shiv. A small weapon used for quick, dirty strikes that you don't see coming. All the Roys, including Conner, are some form of narcissist but Shiv is the worst of them, after Logan.
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You are leaning too hard on Shiv losing out because she's a woman. She is also genuinely incompetent, very immature at times, and overestimates her own intelligence in business matters. She has her moments, but they are few and far between, and I don't think we've seen evidence to suggest she'd be better as CEO than Kendall or Tom (though I grant you she would probably have been better than Roman, but that's a very low bar)
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Imma argue the opposite.
Shiv's S4 journey mirrors Roman's. Slowly realising they hate this game & the only reason they were playing it is gone. No amount of cunning can undo Logan's last comment. He simply didn't think they could do it.
Shiv had real power for the first time at the end. She could've carved a good seat of Waystar herself - under Kendall. She could've risked security for power. But Shiv has a moment where she realises she doesn't care for the power. She doesn't want it, nor the responsibility that comes with it. It does nothing for her.
The power to Roman & Shiv was a means to impress Daddy. Being CEO was not a job - it was the finish line. Dad loves me most. Both give it up in the end - they both realise they simply don't have the guts to do the job, Logan can't undo his choices & they simply aren't the best choice for the company itself.
Then Kendall dug himself a grave. He sealed his own fate by being unable to let Shiv decide for herself. It was 50/50 in her mind. Had he built her up & told her to trust him - rather than demand obedience - he would've got it. Kendall misunderstood Logan's tactics at the most pivotal moment. Being a bully doesn't work. Judging character works.
Roman responded to shame. Shiv responded to praise. Kendall responded to validation.
It's painful to watch - but ultimately Shiv felt more secure losing power. Roman was about a week away from quitting himself.
Kendall couldn't see what was in front of him.
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There was a good point I heard mentioned about this resolution: Lucas didn't need someone he would have to fight with. All Roys would've fought him for control. They were trained to do that, and Shiv would've fought the hardest. What he needed was someone who would run things and obey when needed. Tom filled that role to a T.
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I think Greg at the time he discloses to Ken that Shiv will not be a CEO, doesnât know that Tom is going to be the CEO. He just knows that they will be keeping their jobs. So technically Greg didnât betray Tom. It just seems like he did because it felt like it in the moment, but he really didnât know.
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