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I have been going through a transitional phase of my own to the NKJV (preference of the KJV flow). I was KJVO from the age of 18 (when I was saved and started going to church) until about 24, mostly due to the church I attend (and still do). From the age of 24 until about 26, so 2021-2023, I have still used the KJV but have appreciation of other translations and I have refused to speak badly of them and those who use them. I am currently still 26, but over the last few months I have came to the conclusion it’s time for me to use a different Bible in my personal life, that being the NKJV.
My church is your standard Baptist KJVO church. We’re not over the top like Ruckmanism, or even Sam Gipp (although he does visit us every year or two).
My biggest worry are some of my closest friends are huge KJVO supporters, insistence on using and quoting only the AV1611 (even though nobody uses the AV1611, the Revised 1769 is what is used, including by them). They attend a different KJVO church, but they’re definitely more over the top.
I definitely need to remember to have Grace. I don’t feel any sort of bitterness, and videos like this just help me further educate and dive a little deeper into the subject. The KJV is the word of God. But so is the NKJV. So is the ESV. So on and so forth.
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One thing I've learned in these sorts of debates: when you have absolutely nothing good to say about your opponent's position, within the fellowship of believers, you have become imbalanced, and you risk doing more damage to your side than if you had left it alone. It's a violation of Phil 4:8,9 — “if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, consider these things.” Within the TR / KJV Only circles I find the inability to "consider these things" to cross-pollinate to other areas of Christian life and it creates a brittle, sterile, stagnant atmosphere of heaviness and condemnation. Thanks for this video Mark, and for giving Burgon credit where he is due. That lends credibility to your critique.
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Thank you for a cliff notes summary! I won't likely read this book, so you've exposed me to so much more knowledge than I could ever hope to acquire. Also, the occasional nerdy humor is greatly appreciated.
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Given the level of commitment some KJVO ministers have, it seems very inconsistent for them not to preach in early modern/middle English. My high school English teacher said irony was the difference between appearance and reality. KJVO ministers give the appearance of belief that a particular form of language is inspired. Only when its written? By not preaching in early modern English they fatally undermine their own position.
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great video. very enlightenting. Thank you for sharing. I respect your reservations and think that is wise.
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I maintain that one needs to read Burgon's works in the order they were written to understand/ascertain his thought development (A process known to historians as historiography.). He wrote "The Last Twelve Veres of Mark" in 1871 when the Revised Committee was first getting underway. He did so to sound the alarm regarding the text-critical methodologies and text that were being used by the Committee under the guidance of Westcott & Hort. The Revision Revised was written 10 years later in 1881, after the process of producing the Revised Version was complete. There is a historical context that one needs to bear in mind when reading Burgon's works. I am not raising this point to justify Burgon's tone/tenor carte blanche but point out that there is possibly much more behind his comments than one might realize on the surface.
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I enjoy your channel... I now enjoy listening to God's Word Heard (Steven Johnson), NIV (David Suchet), and ESV (Max McLean). For example, I create a playlist for Matthew chapter one, each version, back to back and repeated seven or more times to pickup on the differences and similarities. You started me on a new path to understanding the Word. Thank you.
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Coming from a small KJVO church, I used to think it was God's very own ONLY version of the Bible ever. After some education over the years, I can see how uneducated I was in how we got the Bible in the first place, and how it was passed down, translated into various languages, and etc... There are so many things that we still have to learn. Thank you for your videos. They have truly been a blessing. - ALSO, I would love to see a few examples of actual texts of the translation changes down through the years, side by side, if anyone has any idea on that. Since I don't have all the Bibles in each change it would be hard for one like me to lay my eyes on and share.
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Thanks Mark. As in one of the comments below, your videos take me to a depth of the Word that I would have trouble attaining on my own.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate the reference to ,ene, mene, tekel, upharsin.
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As I read Burgon, he was not against the revision of the King James Version of the Bible. He believed the KJV needed revision. What he rejected was the textual methodology that Westcott and Hort were using. I recommend that people read his original Quarterly Review articles. I have to say that Burgon, to me, often makes much more sense than B Metzger and his committee. See John 9:4 for and example of their nonsense. It might be useful to read his later books (which he did not live to complete himself) The Traditional Text and Causes of Corruption
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Always appreciate your work, brother!
And apparently, at some point, I downloaded that book on Kindle. Now I'm not sure I want it! J/K, I'll probably skim it meself. God bless!
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I sometimes carry the Revised Version to Bible studies that I'm not conducting and enjoyed using it as my devotional bible for a short time. I was thinking of either trying to read it or the NASB 77 this year. I think I'll go with RV. Thanks, Mark.
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That was informative and useful, thank you brother Mark Ward
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Just based on this video, Dean Burgon seems extremely rhetorically effective in his eloquent and bombastic style, but in terms of the most substantive issues he is simply wrong. Nevertheless rhetoric often goes a long way. I suppose it's similar to why, for example, someone like Christopher Hitchens is so persuasive to many on religion despite his near ignorance of theological and philosophical matters. They're wooed by his rhetorical flourishes and commanding voice, but what good is beauty without truth?
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Good stuff! Thanks for sharing
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Have the book, skimmed over it occasionally, now I must read it.
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Sounds like an interesting book. I downloaded from Project Gutenberg and saved it in Accordance. I will definitely skim it.
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It’s been a while since I read Burgon. But I’m quite sure he claimed the copies will have agreement with either versions or fathers. That is to say the copies are to be verified by early versions or early fathers 11:20
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"This video is very nerdy". I'm in! 😎
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