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What you are describing is precisely what happened to me. All the formal theory education sucked any inspiration out of me. It felt so much easier to improvise and compose before all the rule checks in the brain started to run in parallel and dictated the outcome. To make things worse, I tended to get stuck in simple diatonic schemes without the grit to use out-of-scale notes and harmonies. I went from just painting to painting with numbers and dull templates. And it took so long to find the confidence to throw it all out and start fresh without any inhibitions. I've only just arrived at this point and I'm rediscovering my own music now.
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It took me more than 20 years studying, making and recording music, to understand that one of my first teachers was right when he tried to teach me more about improvisation than "composition" or theory, even when I knew I didn't want to go the performance route but rather the writing route. The truth is that getting better at improvisation, living life, and simply making more and more songs are the 3 things that have really helped me improve as a songwriter/producer
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āi was so afraid of doing things the wrong way that i never did anythingā
damn i felt this one
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My experience was virtually opposite. A violinist by age 11, and a dedicated orchestra & instrument geek after that, I had minimal theory training & good natural talent for music & math. Somehow, I became fascinated by composing & arranging, and, while still in high school, spent much time scribbling out transcriptions & arrangements of music I heard. I knew both treble & bass clef, and memorized all the instrument transpositions, but my āoriginal compositionsā were of the most rudimentary & insignificant sort. I had tried to read some theory texts, but I needed a teacher or tutor. Going to college as a music major made the difference for me. Though a violin major, at first, I was eager to learn theory/solfĆØge, work on improving my compositions, and get some piano skills. By third year, I switched to theory/comp and started to really feel free to create new music! I loved learning music theory, and it actually guided me & gave me a template by which I could write the music I wanted - then, of course, I began to disregard the rulesā¦
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Great video. It puts me in mind of a quote from a different context. "Anxious, inexperienced writers ignore rules; rebellious, unscheduled writers break rules; an artist masters the form." This comes from Robert McKee and his book "Story. Substance, structure, style, and the principles of screenwriting". It also chimes with videos from 12tone. I often watch those and wonder whether the musicians who wrote the songs actually thought about their compositional choices the way they are analysed or just did something that they thought sounded kind of neat. And one last thought. I created a little guitar piece where my goal was to use only two fingers on my left fretboard hand. Years later I saw an interview where Paul McCartney said he did the same thing. But I then broke the rules and ended with FM7 to E. Because I thought it sounded kind of neat.
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I'm a guitarist who has been trying to learn piano on off for a while and I definitely agree that starting with piano is likely to set a better foundation for understanding music in the long run.
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Really great video! I'm primarily a songwriter who usually composes on guitar. I have no formal training, but my partner is a music educator and has begun teaching me theory for specifically the reasons you mentioned. Theory is not (generally) going to inspire ideas, but it can help you problem solve. As I've started incorporating more sonic elements into my writing with synths, drum machines, samples, etc... the theory I am learning helps me recognize when something is not working and gives me the tools to fix it.
Please do more content like this!
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VERY well put š As a music teacher, I can confirm this haha. Iāve got lots of students well versed in theory but no idea where to begin when putting a song together. Others (who critically listen to music on the regular) will begin writing catchy songs when they barely understand what a key is and only know 5 chords. Great point about piano being laid out in a way thatās conducive to music theory too. I started on guitar, gigged professionally, and even then felt like I only āsort of understoodā music until I became proficient in piano š¹
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I very much enjoy hearing about your musical journey, as well as your dive into instruments. Really great work and I hope you continue with it.
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dude I just found your channel and wow my hat is off. loving your humour, pacing, content, and delivery!
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My relationship with music theory is rather young and it showed me how little I ever learned about music even though I took violin in K-12 school.
It was like a new world opened up to me. And so was music composition. So I guess I sort of learned both at the same time by roaming Youtube and learning from both theory and composition videos.
But I'm glad I found this video, because I was feeling somewhat restricted or at least in an information vacuum because every type and culture of music has it's own "grammar", just like every language does.
So in trying to learn these other styles, I'm more interested in composition than theory, and due to the info vacuum, I pretty much had to go this route and trial and error.
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Great valuable content, once more. Keep on going! I think everyone here can understand your level of expertise around these topics and you are actually helping a lot more than you think. Thanks!
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Looking forward to it!
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Iām no musicianā¦.but listening to your fascinating talks on several different topics relating to music has me hooked. Having been an avid listener to many genres over the years, these are really appreciated in order to gain a greater degree of understanding . Thank you so much šš¼šš¼
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Great content and perspective. Really helpful.
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I really enjoyed the other video. Looking forward to this one!
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Thank you very much for this video!I have never studied theory and was somehow still blessed with being able to improvise on the spot, something guided more by ear, heart, joy and curiosity. It also felt like magic just being able to pull music out of thin air (which isn't thin at all). I could relatively easy push through trial and error y until I had a piece of music. But the idea of not having studied music haunted me my entire life, making me learn disjointed bits and pieces of theory which in the end clogged up my ability for carefree creation. I had come to believe that there was an x- amount of knowledge that I needed to become fluent again, but the worst was, that I had become scared and boxed into the little amount of theory I possessed. Hearing from you and your professor, people who have been with theory most of their lives, that composition it is trial and error and the comparison of theory with a forensic department really gave me what I needed to hear, to regain trust in my joy, love and appreciation for creating music. Now it all just boils down to, courage, the passion for adventurous experiments and appreciation for what music is to me in this life. So, again, thank you for having made this video, it changed something for me today, blessings!
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I have a similar story. I did my bachelors and masters in theoretical chemical physics. Once I started my doctorate studies, while I could do the theory, I now had to do REAL EXPERIMENTATION to test my theoretical models. Experimentation was a completely different monster. I thought theory and experimentation would coincide nicely. It didn't. In experimentation, you're not dealing with ideal conditions that make theory easy to utilize. Real world experimentation requires different equations, thought processes, and stress.
I'm both humbled and happy with your comment that music theory and composition are not the same. However, like you stated, theory is still important. Currently, learning the major and minor scales (using Tenuto and Music Theory apps to practice everyday). I've realized, I don't necessarily have to learn to play them but just know what they are. Why? Because that's what everyone keeps telling me but I still don't see the importance of the scales. I just wish, as you learn the theory, you could apply to it music to understand its utility. I know with the sequencers I have, the Toraiz Squid and Squarp Hapax, in the configuration mode, the major, minor, modes like Dorian, and so forth are options. Hence, I know modes, scale, and so forth are vital in music education. Again, the hick up is how much do you have to know before you can start composing. I've actually created some simple compositions (by trial and error) and adding delay, reverb, modulation on a filter... which can make simple composition can sound grandiose. It's just hard to believe that trail and error has been the most helpful tool in my arsenal.
What you stated here is so incredibly valuable, and you're the first producer that has had to make the claims you do about theory vs trail and error. I'm new to this game. Hence, I always listen to practitioners in the field. It's a hard lesson to learn in wisdom.
Yes, please, more on your journey and what aspects of your musical journey have been the most pragmatic.
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Man, I am really digging your latest videos. Valuable info and great presentation, thank you and keep up the good work!
P.S. definitely keep the humour in there too, love it š
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@ernestbuckley8671
1 year ago
Its funny because I grew up writing music starting at the age of 14, then I went to college and learned all the theory, Schenkerian Analysis, etc... and once I was aware of the "rules", it stagnated my created muse. In my third year or so I finally mustered up the nerve to ask one of my Professors why we had all these rules. He explained it the way you did and then he added, "Once you know the rules, you can break them." That freed me up again to write. Today, when I`m composing, I do my best to follow the rules. Why? As you mentioned, parallel 4ths, 5ths, and octaves just sound off. I guess thats what years and years of training your ear does. However, nothing beats those power chords when writing some rock tune. My point is: Learn the rules but don`t be afraid to break them.
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