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Appreciate the final note. Even readers of the books sometimes overlook that Aragorn, as much as Frodo and Sam, is responsible for the destruction of the Ring and the defeat of Sauron. It was he who at the perfect time revealed and announced himself via the Orthanc seeing stone. It was the combination of Sauron seeing Frodo with the Ring at Amon Hen, the following silence of Saruman and rumors of his defeat, the folly of Pippin in using the Palantir and being interrogated by Sauron all culminating in Aragorn revealing himself via the Palantir and implying that he was the one responsible for all of this. Sauron assumed that Aragorn had the Hobbit who was known to have possessed the Ring, and therefore had taken the Ring himself. He was near Amon Hen, so he had brought the Ring south. He was using the Orthanc Palantir, so he had already defeated Saruman, Sauronâs strongest ally. And then to top it all off, he withstood Sauronâs will (barely), taunted him with Narsil reforged (the sword that cut the Ring from his finger), and then wrested the control of the Palantir away from Sauron as its true and rightful owner, proving that he was an heir of Elendil.
This was a killer combo blow to Sauronâs ego and confidence, and fixated his attention on Aragorn who he knew would make his way to Gondor. Itâs why he attacked Minas Tirith. Itâs why he emptied Minas Morgul just after Sam, Frodo, and Gollum had passed it. Itâs why he never considered nor discovered that his enemies might be attempting to destroy the Ring in the only way it could be destroyed. And Aragorn played up the illusion right to the Black Gate, moments before Gollum fell with the Ring into the fires of Doom. Too late Sauron realized that he had been played masterfully not by Gandalf, or Elrond, or Galadriel, but by Aragorn.
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At Amon Hen, the book phrases it as more that Sauron noticed Frodo watching him, rather than the other way around. Sauron didnât see the amplified ring so much as feel he was being watched, and so turned to look at who was watching him. Thereâs a good chance the ring would not even be necessary to attract his attention that way, similarly to the palantiri
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Whatâs even more telling is that right after Frodo removes the ring on Amon Hen, he feels that the gaze of the Eye has moved on and the treat is now gone. Feeling that it is now save for him to do so, he puts the ring back on without any fear of Sauron noticing him.
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I think if one wants to justify it in the films, by the time of The Fellowship he knows from Gollum that the ring has been found so he's 'paying attention' to it. In The Hobbit, for all Sauron knew it was washed away to the ocean like Saruman suggested. So Sauron isn't dedicating any resources to searching for it, or any of his own power to finding it or sensing if it's being worn.
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Both times Sauron noticed the ring-wearer, the ring-wearer was trying to do more than hide. At Amon Hen, probably unwittingly, Frodo was trying to exert his will; at Sammath Naur he was claiming the ring for his own. In all other cases, Smeagol, Bilbo, and Frodo were actively thinking of not being noticed.
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Let us not forget the other obvious thing, which is that when Tolkien wrote The Hobbit the ring had an entirely different purpose in the story. It was a wondrous tool that enabled Bilbo's character growth from timid homebody to take-charge adventurer. Tolkien's bit of retconning of the ring when he decided to write a sequel would inevitably leave some inconsistencies. It is, of course, a great tribute to the consistency of Tolkien's world building that fans will find logical rationales for elements that donât perfectly harmonize between the two works.
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bilbo is just too chill
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A bit of additional theorizing: It's well understood the Ring grants power to the bearer based on the measure of power the bearer already possesses. A hobbit putting on the Ring and going invisible (shifting to the Unseen realm) would do little to attract Sauron's attention, but if Gandalf (for example) were to put on the Ring, especially if he were to claim it, he would likely attract Sauron's attention immediately no matter where in Middle-earth Gandalf was.
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I think the second time Sauron realises that Frodo has the ring at the cracks of doom is more down to the fact that Frodo claims the ring as his own, a challenge to Sauron's authority.
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I remember something about Sam wearing the Ring right after Shelob. While sneaking around he was keenly aware of the gaze of Sauron and knew that if he so much as glanced his direction he would instantly be found. The detection cone of the eye was basically visible to him, even through solid stone and iron, and he knew it was only the fact that Sauron had no idea that he was there that kept him alive.
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Why couldn't Sauron sense Bilbo? Because Tolkein didn't think 80% of the planet would over analyze his fairytail lol.
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That part where Sauron notices Frodo at Amon Hen is one of the most terrifying moments
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It seems like sensing Frodo at Mount doom could be because Frodo âclaimedâ the ring and itâs power for his own. As other comments have pointed out, Sauron didnât notice when Sam put on the ring in Mordor, so that goes against him being able to sense it in his own land.
So Sauron only felt the Ringâs presence when someone actively tried to control and use its power. Which does explain why he never sensed it with all the other ring bearers. Gollum and other bearers only used it to be invisible, which seems to be a passive effect of wearing the ring. None of them actively tried to use the ring for any other purpose, so itâs true power, Sauronâs power, wasnât being used and therefore he couldnât sense it.
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I think the main reason why Sauron couldn't sense Bilbo is because Sauron simply haven't recovered enough strength to do so. He was surviving to gain power and not focussing on the ring yet. As stated in the book and seen in the Hobbit trilogy, Sauron was a mere shadow and at times he was seen as a different foe (the necromancer) in the eyes of Gandalf, Galadriel, Saruman and Elrond. It's not until the second movie they sense that dark energy is indeed Sauron who has gained a lot of his strength back.
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Robert, this is quite possibly the best LotR channel ever. Everything is interesting and fresh and your voice is perfect. Well done!
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Always felt that Sauron could see Frodo in Mordor because Frodo actually claimed the ring and in a sense tried to wield it. Also perhaps because it was the birthplace of the ring.
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Lest we forget, in the films, when Pippin looked into the Palantir and met Sauronâs gaze, itâs noted by Merry that his removal from Rohan with Gandalf is because âThe enemy thinks you have the Ring!â I think this is further evidence that Sauronâs information is that some halfling has the One Ring, and not that he specifically knows whom, like a GPS signal, but that through his spies, heâs aware that a hobbit has it. Iâm working my way through the books at the moment but I think this is an important detail.
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I remember in the book when Sam put on the ring in the Morgul Ungol tower and Sauron not sensing him (despite Sam wearing it for presumably hours), and it was said that Sauron's darkness over the Morgul Veil was so thick that even he could not see what happened within.
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The scene at Amon Hen seems quite reminiscent of how Sauron was able to ensnare Saruman through their palantiri. In both cases, the magically-enhanced nature of the other person's sight allowed Sauron to quickly become aware of it, and created a sort of link that he could exploit in reverse. Frodo's reaction to Sauron at Amon Hen seems like he fears being dominated in a similar way to how Saruman was. Obviously, the biggest factor in Frodo not being caught was his rapidly taking off the ring and leaving the seat, but there's also the factor that Amon Hen doesn't have any underlying connection to Barad Dur or anything in it, whereas all the palantiri were inherently linked.
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@DouglasZwick
5 months ago
"The magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash" has always been one of my favorite lines from literature.
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