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As a Greek gal, me and almost every other Greek girl I be spoken about this webcomic immensely dislike it for popularizing the idea that hades and persephone is a love story. Yes, the kidnapping of persephone is very much a love story, but not between her and hades.
Smythe takes one of the most feminist myths and completely twists it in the abusers favor while villainfing the hero/victim.
Smythe misses the cultural context. How things worked until very recently (our grandma's were the first women to jot have arranged marriages) was that the father of the bride and the groom would strike a deal about the marriage, and then the bride would go where her husband lives, that could be really far away from her home, causing her to rarely is ever seeing her family again.
the myth takes that reality and makes it so the mother steps foot, and demands her child back, after the deal was struck and the girl taken against her will (the myth is named the taking of persephone for a fucking reason) and Demeter succeeds, if not completely, she gets to have her daughter for half a year and that half of the year is when the earth is at its finest, the earth blooms because of the happiness of the goddess of grain and goddess of flowers being together.
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LO is successful because it hits all the usual BookTok/romance genera buttons: young female protag without much personality for people to project onto, who then becomes a "girl boss" which she didn't actually earn, male lead that's rich and/or attractive to sweep said girl off her feet, drama and fighting over the girl, other females in the story being "jealous" or blindly simpering to her... LO reads like a self-indulget, self-insert fanfic. I would know; I read a lot of fanfic. Add in the "Greek mythology" (if you can even call it that by the barest whiff it has in there outside of the names, lbrh) and you solidified it. It absolutely appeals to the high school/fresh in college female demographic. It also does nothing innovative with said troupes and THAT is my problem, among many others.
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My pet peeve about LO is definitely that the characters just won't stay on model. It's super distracting when their noses change shape so much between consecutive panels that I get confused if I'm looking at the same character when they are even color coded to reduce that confusion.
The graphic design background makes so much sense. The composition and colors are beautiful, but sometimes it's so hard to tell which way the characters are supposed to move or what's even happening in general.
Also the writing is super juvenile. I think I would have loved this comic as a teenager, so I totally get its appeal but it's not for me at this point of time.
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In the mythology, Artemis and Apollo had survived a "childhood" of incredible trauma with only each other as support, including having to support their mother, isolated from the other Gods, even persecuted by some. This made them incredibly codependent on each other. *
This series could have used that sort of history to explain Artemis having a trauma-spawned Blindness to Her brother's (even obvious) flaws. Like neurotically incapable of processing them.
* in the very reductive secularization of the mythology that is the basis for these modern "re-tellings".
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I loved this comic in the beginning. I feel like I overlooked a lot of the issues because I believe this to be her first time doing a comic, and she was all alone. But as time has gone on and the more help she’s gotten the worse things are. And I agree she is not planning ahead for any of this, because everything has become so lost and hollow. I wish she would just hire a ghost writer to finish season 3. :(
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when I loved this comic in the past I did feel sympathetic for minthe, but I was always conflicted bc rachel would first paint her like a sympathetic character and then all of a sudden painting her as an abusive bitch
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The more and more I learn about Lore Olympus, the more I am convinced this is just like.... a case of "The Author's Poorly Disguised Fetish"
Its a self indulgent age gap fantasy about being swooped off your feet by a rich hot older man with a plot just kinda stitched together to make excuses for these things to happen. It's not inherently wrong to create stories with that kind of fantasy, its just kind of a shame that it grew in popularity under pretenses of being more subversive or ambitious than it really is, and then really didn't examine itself or what it was doing.
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The thing with Apollo not really showing any signs of being an assaulter is that they often don't show signs IRL. They are often great at acting like they're not bad people who would do something like that. This often is a big reason victims go unbelieved, cause "I know him! He's a good guy! He would never!" So I find the idea that Apollo wasn't obvious about this side of him fairly realistic.
Edit: Also, a r@pist's friends and family will often be the last people to believe this person is in fact not all he's cracked up to be and are also often huge victim blamers
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I personally would have made it so Persephone was just supposed to meet up with Artemis at the party, but something interrupts Artemis (maybe a minor myth) leaving Persephone (who's a couple hundred years old, isolated from Olympus for all those years and riding a freedom high) on her own. Then Eros happens, she vomits and cries in front of everyone, and Hades takes it upon himself to get her a hotel room to recover, also using it as an excuse to get away from the party and sleeps on the couch. Queue drunk trauma ramblings, an awkward Hades, and a regretful hungover Persephone who feels the need to prove herself to the rest of Olympus after her bad first impression.
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I always thought the Minthe's ears change to reflect her insecurities about dating a God because of lore olympus class rankings she would sometimes changes her ears to look more like a Goddess instead of a nymph. But I guess it's just one of the many things not explored more in depth.
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almost fully through the podcast episode and i never really realized how time crunched the whole comic was! The reason I tolerated season one was because I had interpreted episodes 1-70 to be over six months, not five fucking days oh my god. This also puts the whole comic under a really scary lens also. In 5 days, nay 120 HOURS Persephone-the-nineteen-year-old gets drugged, raped, bought out, media-ambushed, groomed, a new job, a scholarship revoked, visited TARTUS, and gets attacked by the dead. On top of that its depicted in this interpretation that she's had MANY sheer encounters with older male gods BEFORE all of this, like when she was what? 16? 14? there is some huge timing issues with this comic
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Yes! Acknowledgment that hades sucks and is also an abuser , and minthe is underrated and deserves better! She had interesting writing , personality, and lore, and yet she was tossed to the way side to make the otp look better. Just look how she and persephone contrast throughout said comic. There are definitely elements of purity culture there. Am I defending an abuser? No. (I see that argument a fair bit when people bring up minthe. It's okay to like chaotic characters , just be honest about them. )but I know for a fact that hades wasn't any better and got off pretty much Scott free for it, as well as most the ugly things he's done in said comic. He does have financial power over her among other things. I wish more focus was on Minthe, honestly. Missed opportunity.
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I have two major problems with how the myth is interpreted in lore Olympus.
1. Persephone was actually like REALLY feared by mortals, she was almost definitely as, if not more feared than Hades and her name was used in some curses (so why is she, as Eros puts it, a cinnamon bun?)
2. Persephone was raped not once but twice and it wasn't Apollo, it was Zeus and Zeus was also her father (in the original myths)
Here's one bonus issue I have with it!
the Psyche and Eros myth is decently accurate, except Psyche had to complete deadly tasks to see Eros again, she wasn't Aphrodite's shopping buddy, she was more like her punching bag (Of course take this with a grain of salt cause I stopped reading the comic by maybe episode 80, 90ish)
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong cause this is basically all just knowledge I gained 2 years ago so some of it might be inaccurate given my faulty memory
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2:18:41 the pomegranate is linguistically named 'apple of seeds' and the product naming convention seems to echo tech companies so basically Hades's brand is. Seedy apple.
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I'm still in the process of listening, but I love what I'm hearing so far. Hades is so icky, I'm rereading and there's a part in the early chapters when he unbuttoned his shirt cause he misinterpreted Persephone in wanting to sleep with him. 🤢 And when he talked about her mom when it came to about why he was single. Idk why that STILL didn't turn Persephone away, but yuck yuck.
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It’s nice to see a more nuanced discussion about this comic, and as an aspiring comic book writer your tips are very much appreciated!
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I hated that persephones SA was sorta dangled over the viewer. Instead of exploring it and seeing her heal at a good pace, we got small teases (for lack of a better word) and as you pointed out we get more panels of hades sexualisng then we do of her inner turmoil.
I also expected her virginity cult thing would be explored more. It felt like it would be a theme - she's been SA yet she's in a virginity cult, feels theme worthy. I don't think Racheal had the guts or know how to do so. I've been reading a book on Virginity and the history of its concept (Preforming Virginity by Kathleen Coyne Kelly) and there's some really interesting interpretations on how virginity is reconciled with SA through history that are so relevant today. Like I wonder how exactly did she do her research.
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What was pretty weird was the fandom after the thing with Apollo. I know the fans are young but still. Basically they thought that this story was accurate to greek mythology. And I've heard of hellenistic people who pray to Apollo who were harassed online for worshipping him, because of this webtoon. Like wtf? The Apollo from LO has nothing to do with greek mythology Apollo.
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webcomics being a new thing is so weird since i've been reading them since probably 2005. back when drunk duck webcomics and smackjeeves were the dominating hubs. i gotta say the rapid, and sudden, corporatization of the medium due to korea and japan getting in on it is alien. webcomics now are such a far cry from the indie passion projects of the early 2000's. there are still a lot out there like that but the culture is so different, there are so many social rules now, and indie passion projects don't get near as much attention as the new mainstream, copy/paste stuff made my underpaid, over worked korean artists.
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@pyrrhic_victoria
1 year ago
I just realized that I inadvertently held ALL comments for review, so sorry about that everyone!! I'll be responding to all of y'all as much as I can. Sorry for the goof!
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