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Genre: Gaming
Date of upload: Dec 24, 2023 ^^
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I'm not done with the video yet but it's a blast so far, however I do want to point out one thing: Trent Reznor declining to work on Quake 2 because it "has no atmosphere" is a myth. Sonic Mayhem himself has gone out and said that Trent declined because he was simply too busy. id didn't even know what direction they wanted for the soundtrack at the time, "Only after submitting our demo, they wanted to go the metal route." in Sonic Mayhem's own words.
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I've always felt the true "episode 5" for Quake was a fan-made campaign from the year 2000 called Nehahra, which was prefaced by a four hour long machinima film, "The Seal of Nehahra". It painstakingly rationalizes the lore of the original Quake, introduces dozens of characters with conflicting motivations and arcs (all performed by one person putting on different voices with mixed results) and even incorporates some of the expansion pack content like the wraiths, while also establishing unique lore, settings and concepts to the world. It turns the ranger character into an affable buffoon who progresses through the original campaign to kill Shub-Niggurath only because it serves the interest of another human, one with extraordinary abilities and a thirst for power. It's equal parts Babylon 5, Lord of the Rings and... uh... Big Trouble in Little China? The playable mod itself sees you tracking down and defeating that human usurper through a series of visually and mechanically distinct levels that have a logical progression like Quake 2 or Half-Life, and encounter enemies with new move-sets and abilities more like human players in deathmatch - they strafe and jump. This aspect you wouldn't enjoy very much and was quite divisive when the mod originally released. The final boss battle is essentially a Quake 3 one-on-one versus a bot on hard mode, who moves and thinks like a human and even has access to the same weapons as the player, plus magic powers that you don't... so actually it's like playing deathmatch against a hacker. This sort of becomes a meta-commentary of Quake's legacy, since at the time Quake 3 had just come out, and the idea of the ultimate challenge at the end of an epic journey through alien realms and dimensions being just another human on an ego trip mirrors the trajectory of the franchise.
Unfortunately the mod uses its own fork of the engine, so modern sourceports don't play nice with it and running the original exe on modern operating systems is a pain on the ass. In the wake of great fan maps and mods like Dwell and Arcane Dimensions, the mighty Nehahra is fading into obscurity even among the hardcore fanbase of Q1, to say nothing of the new audience who picked up the remaster.
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Noah I am literally stuck in the mud off Highway 5, and have nothing else to do but watch this while I wait for Roadside Assistance. It is 1:30 am. This is not how I expected to experience this video but hey, inexplicable timing!
Update: Two hours later, I am free. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, all!
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I'm surprised you didn't mention Sandy Peterson's greatest legacy: creating Call of Cthulhu, the tabletop RPG for H.P. Lovecraft's 'Mythos' stories. If you look at Sandy's levels in the context of expressing that eldritch horror - losing your grip on sanity, being trapped forever in alternate dimensions ruled by indifferent alien intelligence - it fits.
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Good video, there's two very minor things I want to point out:
1. Telefragging was a feature since Doom 1, and present in the singleplayer as well. The infamous "Perfect Hatred" (E4M2) lets you telefrag a cyberdemon as part of its deliberate design.
2. The quake 1 map select level actually contains a secret, giving you nightmare difficulty. Genuinely my favourite part of that whole thing.
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i do want to say, as someone who struggles with loving gaming as a medium but who is also just, not the best at it despite decades playing them, your frankness about how you engage with games at the level that is challenging for you has helped me literally just enjoy games more. the youtube landscape is filled with critics (many of whom are incredibly insightful just as you are) that make me feel (unintentionally in many cases - maybe intentionally in some) like i’m not getting the “right” experience of playing a game unless i perform some self-imposed death march through the hardest difficulty of a game i would be having much more fun with on normal.
i regularly quote your “…but i am a fool, and a stoner” line when i feel that mindset of “i need to play on the hardest difficulty and get all of these super difficult achievements to really appreciate this game” creep up on me, because like you, i love gaming, but i am not fucking incredible at playing video games, nor do i have the time or inclination to torture myself with challenges that rob me of the fun or appreciation of a game. all the while, your analysis is incredible and valuable, in a way that many of the others are not, because you prove that you can engage deeply and intelligently with a game on an analytical level without that type of super hardcore mechanical engagement. your work is fantastic, not just because of that fact, but it does elevate it in many ways because the starting position of “i’m going to play this game in the way that gives me enjoyment and the appropriate level of challenge for my skill level” is much closer to my own perspective than “i beat this game on the hardest difficulty 5 different times, each time increasing the challenge by choosing not to use ‘x’ element because it makes the game too easy”.
thanks for all your incredible work, and i’m looking forward to what you put out next!
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13:32 on modern level design being far less a dialog between designer and player than in the past is a critical reason I enjoy "old school/retro/Boomer shooter" shooter games. There's a wonder where you can tell the tells and nuances from a map designer just from playing it and across games as well. David Syzmanski likes his levels to loop in on themselves, Tom Hall likes his big 'working machine' maps, John Romero likes central 'node' points, and Dario Casali likes his 'Think fast, punk!' enemy jump ins. It's a dialog heavily missing in modern shooters and perhaps games in general. Thanks Noah for a wonderful retrospective!
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If you loved Dimension Of The Machine so much, you really must check out some of the mods the community have released in the past five years or so. A lot of stuff up to or even exceeding that level, while still feeling unmistakably like Quake. The community also seems to have accepted that Quake's low-story, high-vibes format lends itself to one-shot adventures. A lot of big 30-60+ minute levels that tell a self-contained story.
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@mattkeflowers
4 months ago
"I'm going to tackle the Quake series from a narrative perspective and there's nothing you fuckers can do to stop me" is such a great statement of intent.
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