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Yes! But is it better? Watch the video and we'll see...
Mentioned in this video:
- Raspberry Pi 5: www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/
- GMKtec N100 Mini PC: amzn.to/4brupjC
- Pineberry Pi HatDrive! Top HAT: pineberrypi.com/products/hat-top-2230-2240-for-rpi…
- Samsung 512GB microSD: amzn.to/3Hs9HT2
- MakerDisk 2242 NVMe SSD: www.cytron.io/p-nvme-2242-b-plus-m-key-makerdisk-s…
- rpilocator: rpilocator.com/
- Where are the Pi 5s? Eben Upton interview: TODO
- ExplainingComputers Mini ITX N100 PC: • Raspberry Pi 5 vs N100 PC (featuring ...
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Contents:
00:00 - Raspberry Pi, the villain?
00:58 - N100 is cheaper than Pi
02:38 - Pi: Some assembly required
07:47 - N100: Prebuilt
10:32 - Pi first boot
12:33 - Pi performance
16:11 - N100 first boot
17:55 - N100 performance
20:28 - Which one's best?
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The problem is that you can wipe the Windows and install any free and open-source Linux distro on N100 mini PC. Intel's mainline Linux support has always been top-notch.
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My takeaway from this is that computing is so cheap nowadays! My first PC cost $1500 and had only a fraction of the CPU and storage of any of the machines shown. Now I have mini PCs, several Pis and even an old HP refurb from Amazon that lived out its life computing spreadsheets on someone's desk. I run various different OSs, have networks set up as a playground. When I started as a programmer I used to go into work at the weekends just so I could play with the hardware in the machine room, now I have all that and more sitting around my den at home.
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Being an electronic designer, I would say it is rarely DIY is cheaper than buying, so pricing was not a surprise, but the excitement in DIY is in general worth the difference :).
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For me it was definitely during the shortage when every content creator and their mother had seemingly endless access to whatever they wanted so they could show off cool projects that no normal consumer could hope to replicate unless they spent exorbitant prices to scalpers.
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Most of the "issues" with the N100 box were issues with windows, not the hardware itself, put debian on it for a decently fair comparison. For reference, my N100 box, which is very similar to the one here, idles at around 4-5W, not as good as the pi, but much better than with windows.
Also I think we're kinda missing the point of an SBC here, for general desktop computing, an SBC is always gonna be a poor value. The strength of the pi and other SBCs is their IO. They're great for projects where you need to interface with the real world through sensors, actuators, indicators, and non-USB user inputs. If you're building a robot that needs potentiometers on each joint, position sensors, and status LEDs, then use a pi, that's what it's made for. If you want a small, portable, low power desktop, get a mini PC, that's what they're made for.
That's why I'm not a big fan of the Pi 5, it just doesn't really fit anywhere, it's too expensive to casually embed into a project, but not powerful enough for a good desktop experience. It's cool to have the capabilities of a Pi 5, but how many situations actually need GPIO pins AND 8GB of RAM? The niche case of moderately high-end robotics that actually has those requirements has long since been filled the Jetson nano stuff (granted, the pi is a fair bit cheaper). It just doesn't have much a real place.
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Also, as a former dell service technician for laptops: get a magnet mat with a grid on it, to keep those pesky screws in place. Also helps with remembering in what order you took them off, though that's less of a problem with this few screws.
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i mean the main advantage of using a raspberry pi is really the GPIO pins, not it being a usable computer
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One of feature that he missed in the video is that You can upgrade the RAM to 32GB for the N100 Mini.
But you're stuck with 8GB RAM on Pi
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I laughed out loud at "Nobody is sponsoring this video. Everything you see here I bought, thanks to this channel's... sponsors."
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Good luck with the not-dropping-a-screw mission. I've never been able to beat that one yet either and I've been doing DIY electronics for 45+ years. Great video!
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The N100 Amazon link now takes you to a $550 device. The N100 appears to be $180.
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The thing I kinda miss with older Pis is the "you already have most of what you need" ethos. You already have a phone charger, you already have a USB keyboard and mouse, you probably already have an HDMI monitor, and if you don't you can just use your TV, and there's a good chance you can borrow an SD card from something. I know better hardware is more power hungry, but it seems to have lost the kid friendly idea of buying a computer with your pocket money and not needing anything else to get started. Now you have to get a special power supply and a special display cable, and maybe a special case to keep it cool.
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In Australia, today's price for a Pi5 without the hat, using a micro SD, with all the other bits is $214. At the same time, an 8Gig ram, 128G ssd windows 10 PC from Amazon is $158. We are a long way from the originally touted benefits of a $35 computer (which it never was here anyway).
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Four things:
1) With the GMKtec, you can, of course, always wipe the Windows 11 install and install Linux as well. (or just swap the drive if you want to keep the Windows license key)
2) Speaking of the Windows license key, if you subtract that from the cost of the GMKtec mini PC.
3) If you compute the performance/$/Watt, the answer my surprise you.
4) It REALLY depends on what you want to do with the systems. Proxmox on ARM is still technically experimental.
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IMO the selling point of the Pi has never been a small cheap computer. I have never found it to provide a good general purpose computing experience. The selling point has always been the customizability and ability to integrate it into embedded projects, as effectively a quite powerful and quick to set up microcontroller thanks to the large software and hardware support base for it.
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Raspberry pi kinda had a mission statement. They wanted to make these cheap and readily available so that people would get interested in the hobby. At first, it worked. I got my first kit for $55 and I've been tinkering with computers ever since. We all know what happened after that with prices and availability. But I can honestly say that I'm thankful for what they did.
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The key point here is "if you're looking for a desktop computer". Pis have never excelled at this role (despite frequent claims to the contrary), and have been downright abysmal at it up until the Pi 5. You get a Pi because you have specific connectivity needs or you're using it embedded or for a special purpose, not just because you want a "cheap desktop".
The GMKtec is a pretty slick little unit though, thanks for showcasing it!
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When the PI 4 came out, I used it for my desktop and I am (or was - I've retired since then) a full-stack professional web developer. It didn't perform like my dual-xeon server but it worked well enough. When work-from-home came around, I did switch to my laptop so I could be more productive for work, but for most people, doing a little bit of typing work, a little bit of email, and a lot of surfing, the PI 4 was great. I didn't even know the PI 5 was out until I watched this video but for all of my electronics work, controlling I/O and custom home control modules, etc., my stack of Pi 2, Pi 3, and Pi4s are doing the job just fine.
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"Some assembly required"
The DIY nature of the Pi is not a negative at all IMO. In fact, it's to a large degree the very point.
A part of the use-case of these devices since its inception is to teach children/people about computing and electronics.
Making people navigate through relevant conventions, standards, processes, and procedures to do things gives them a logic and intuition for computers, and problem-solving skills that would simply not be there if all it was was a plug-and-play solution. And for experienced people, the assembly is either enjoyable, or so easy that it's no trouble at all.
The DIY nature and requirement of Pi's is a good thing.
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@mamdouh-Tawadros
3 months ago
The magic about the pi was the price around $35. Once it rose sky high, comparisons like yours had to be made.
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