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Date of upload: Jul 21, 2023 ^^
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Silent subscriber here: my two year old son loves to drum, and has been watching your videos on repeat for the past year or so. He even copies some of your movements and I often ask him, “Are you doing Debolt drumming?“ And he smiles and nods his head yes. Just wanted you to know, you’ve been a huge encouragement to this household. My husband is in ministry too, and we will both be praying for this situation. I’m so sorry to hear about this, thank you for coming forward and telling the truth. God bless you! 🙏
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I can't believe some of this! they are cult leaders do they hear their own language 'soil'. My blood boiled referring to 'prophet' honestly what a complete abuse of power. I really hope one day they hear themselves and how they have got lost into a hyper charismatic cult and arrogance of speaking on behalf of God - its just shameful. The moment you hear 'man of God' 'God told me' and it doesn't match up against the word - run - run fast!
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Thank you so much for sharing this Noah. I am so sorry this happened to you and I hope you are taking the time you need to heal. Sharing your story brings hope to people like me who attended VA for our whole lives and suffered spiritual abuse from the new leaders there as well. It’s so sad to see this happening, especially at the hands of people I’ve personally known my entire life. Thank you for your candor and for shining a light on this.
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Jeremy disliked me so much so I grateful not one of his drummers. But, before he left Anaheim he did tell the worship at the time NOT to use me as the drummer because I was “too old.” When he came came to Anaheim, before the theft, he wouldn’t even speak to me. I was kicked off the worship team without any notice, reason or a sit down to talk. I tried reaching out but nothing. It was at the same time that Kathryn Scott stopped talking to me, after a 15+ year friendship. Alan had already distanced himself from me and my family.
Some time later I was diagnosed with cancer. Some of the board members, pastors and parishioners offered to pray for me before the service. They invited Alan to come, but he refused. Not once did he reach out and expressed his feelings about my cancer diagnosis. Again, this was supposedly my friend of 15+ years, our family spent summers together, vacations together, and countless meals only for it to end in complete silence.
I can categorically say without reservation that the words to come out of Alan‘s mouths are so filled with deception and lies. And it grieves me that people that I know for over 35 years of attending the Anaheim Vineyard are citing with Alan Scott and Jeremy Riddle rather than the countless people that have been hurt and driven out from the church, where they met their spouses, where they married, and buried their loved ones, and where they raise their kids.
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Dear brother in Christ I totally understand how you are feeling!
As a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit I was send by Jesus himself some 25 years ago to a particular church for receiving teaching how to worship, because in my own church it was not proper to express your feelings during singing to the Lord.
In that new church I learned a lot from worship and praise God, but after a while the Holy Spirit showed me strange behavior of the leaders.
They started appropriating the best food during meal celebrations, drinks the finest wines, while the normal people is served with the cheapest meals.
They also introduced the payment off tithing, because there lavish behavior costs a lot of money!
Long story short, I pray my socks of until I received answers from the Lord!
And with the answer I received I approached the church leaders and they didn't like it, and we were told to leave the church!
After that the Lord gave me one more message for them, "If you not continue the work I asked you to do, i will take the people of your church one by one until there are so many left that you can count them on one hand, and I will be the last one who will leave. "
You know what happened? That church doesn't exist anymore! And I still loving Jesus singing praises from the moment I wake up till I laid down my head!
So don't sit in sackcloth and ashes hold on tide to Jesus, ask the Holy Spirit for guidance!
Forgive them and forget them and start your new journey with the Lord.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND YOUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN UNTIL JESUS CHRIST COMES BACK, VERY SOON,
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I appreciate your willingness to come forward. It’s encouraging for me to feel like I’m not the only one who is/has gone through a spiritually abusive church culture. But it still doesn’t change the fact that it burdens my heart to see another story like this. There needs to be more safeguards and accountability of leaders showing these tendencies BIG TIME.
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Wow, thank you for this video. I went through a very similar situation while drumming and working full time at a church. It’s always been a difficult thing to sit down and process. Your story and insight has helped me understand the callousness that went on. It’s truly disheartening that churches are more interested in “culture” than they are helping out their own people.
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Noah, I am so sorry for you and your wife. I am glad to hear that you are still believing in Jesus alone!
I have also seen churches that promote a really strong "culture" that is, in reality, extremely toxic and exclusive. For anyone in the comments, let this be a warning to avoid the churches that promote culture, not following Jesus!
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Man's Really said "They just wanna Care and Love People" Like it was a bad thing.... and then sending a text (and not an in person meeting) asking you to step down from any leadership. So sorry you had to deal with this kind of abusive leadership. I've dealt with my fair share of toxic leadership and luckily it has made me stronger and led me to the proper church, with the proper culture that I need during this time. I hope you find the same brother. Praying for you
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The problem with these worship driven communities is that they disguise themselves as churches when they are in fact, not. It is like a never-ending conference. And when people with other giftings want to join, they are alienated. Do you ever see evangelists in one of these worship movements? Hardly. Because it doesn’t fit the vision of constant worship. This model is not a real biblical church. It doesn’t include the entire body of Christ and all of it’s giftings. That’s what makes it feel exclusive or cult like.
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@CynthiaAndrews850
9 months ago
I was in these staff and pastoral meetings and can say that this only scratches the surface of how Alan and the rest of the team, including myself, spoke about people behind closed doors. I deeply regret my involvement in this and hope that speaking out brings truth and light. Although in these audios, you hear talk of revival, what they really mean is having a large church, building a movement with influence, getting more speaking invites, and ultimately making money. Alan was obsessed with leadership and revival, but it really boiled down to numbers and gaining recognition globally, but mostly power and control. I witnessed him lying to people's faces, manipulating situations, firing staff, and doing whatever he deemed necessary to create a culture where people believed in and followed him, and where he had control and power. During the course of my four years, I became deeply afraid of Alan. He often threatened to fire me if he felt "I was breaking his trust." He would remind me often how lucky I was that he spent so much time with me and how I could lose that privilege, and he would say things like "maybe God was wrong about me," etc. He eventually began controlling who I could or couldn't be friends with, who I was speaking to and about what, and the list goes on. I went to Jeremy Riddle multiple times, afraid of disclosing too much, and I told him in tears only about Alan's screaming and threatening fits. He told me that this was the price for revival and how apostles and spiritual fathers behaved. Jeremy shared that he had experienced similar treatment at Bethel, specifically with Kris Vallotton and the Johnson family, and it had paid off for him in his ministry/calling. He encouraged me to endure Alan's treatment, assuring me that if I left Alan's covering, no other pastor would see me or my purpose and invest in me the way Alan had. He emphasized this, claiming he had visited many churches and knew. These audio clips only scratch the surface of the toxicity I experienced within the "inner circle." My husband and I have every intention of releasing a fuller statement with supporting documents about my time as a pastor directly supervised and mentored by Alan Scott soon. What else is needed to see change and accountability here?
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