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Are IEMs more detailed than headphones? Its a pretty complicated question actually... let's talk about it!
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My definition of detail is how much individual sound/instrument can be distinguished with clarity, so my definition of detail kinda goes hand in hand with how good the separation is
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Iāve always felt detail comes down to (1) speed (2) finding ways to bring quietest parts of a song step forward so they are not lost, and (3) handling busy audio moments competently and coherently
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I love all the takes everyone has on this!! Thanks DMS for including me in this discussion! Video came out great. Big shout out to other other reviewers with valid takes!
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Thank you for the input Idubbbz! I didnt know u were an audiophile until now
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Funnyā¦. I have literally been thinking about this the last six months.
I understand the complexity of the question ā¦.however, as a 60 year old audiophile ā¦.Iām increasingly starting to look sideways at frequently hyped headphones and increasingly Iām turning to my IEM collection for ease, weight, compactness and yes for detail as well.
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Loved the production quality of this video. And the way you incorporated those other opinions is so aesthetically pleasing. Thank you for this experience.
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I think ādetailā is a broad category that branches out into all other aspects of the sound, like āsoundstageā āimaginingā āseparationā āaccuracyā etc. All of these subcategories will share ādetailā as a defining characteristic in our subjective judgment of sound quality. We listen for ādetailsā in bass response as well as treble response. Higher detail makes āseparationā more apparent and adds to the accuracy within the soundstage of well recorded music. Detail is not just about treble but is easier to detect in the higher frequencies.
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For me
Detail is simply the more amount of things i can hear in a track.
Some would say that how clear or well defined it sound is detail but i like to term that precision or definition.
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Stellar Video from the storyline, to substance, to production. Really well done! Resolve nailed it for me, I think the closer the speaker is to my ear drum then the more I hear based on how air moves and things that can obstruct its movement, like my outer ears.
I will add that detail for me also has to do with how "black" the background is on my listening device, RS8 Black as night hence a ton of detail in strings and high hats for instance, Matrix Element i4 some background noise on my IEM's so I lose HOW WELL I CAN HEAR some of that "detail" in the strings and high hats again for instance. So yes there are many aspects to this well deserved topic. Thanks
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These days I'm much more measured, but I have had moments where I hear more. My Elex renders cymbals well, they seem to be everywhere. Yet I remember standing at a traffic light, listening to "Songbird" on IEM's and suddenly becoming aware that Lyndsey Buckingham was plucking strings in the background. Kind of spooked me.
I also have an SACD remix of Oasis' "What's the story Morning Glory" that gets rid of the "wall of noise" so you can actually hear them play, and there is a moment when "Champagne Supernova" gets serious where I can hear somebody playing an amazing guitar riff in my right ear where the main guitar is on my left. The way IEM's open up sound, is astounding.
I own many headphones, and many more IEM's just bought the Chu2 for my son, it's kind of a hybrid as I'm using the cable and vinyls from the salnotes Zero Mecha which I bought on a prime sale. The IEM is meh but the accessories are amazing.
So yes I would concur that IEM's have detail in spades, especially modern in ears from the past two years or so.
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Comfort while listening is the single most import thing (To me anyway) and I still havenāt found a pair of over ear cans, that donāt make me uncomfortable after an hour or so, even though I feel the their overall sound quality is slightly better than IEMās. As subjectivity goes though, there is no wrong way, as long as it makes you happy. Great videošš»
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Thanks for this informative and easy to understand video DMS š short and sweet and to the point š (sigh) why can't more reviewers use this format š¤
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āIt doesnāt matter how detailed your headphone is, I will destroyed it allā - j-pop mixer compressing music to bits
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Interesting point about details, kinda reminded about the time I got into arguments online about the definitions of details (and its subset like macrodetails, microdetails, etc.). I personally define details as "the percentage of information that passes from the source to the listener". Of course, certain systems might exaggerate some information, allowing you to have more "information" than the source material, similar to how frame interpolation or image upscaling is done to video contents. I view other things like room effect, timbre, imaging, separation, etc. to be separate technical aspects from details. Hence, my preferred nomenclature of "resolution" instead of "details", as I strongly associate it to resolution in video.
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Excellent video all my favorite personalities in one compact video discussing a very interesting topic great work DMS!
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Just going to comment on how nice your cinematography and lighting are in this video. I tend to think of detail as the ability to pick out individual parts in a mix, wheras lower detail things (maybe due to intermodulation distortion) tend to blend into one mass of sound. My ER4's were one of the first things that I had the feeling of actually hearing the reverb added to a track, instead of it blending in to the driver decay. The Sundara is a good second and has better tuning. The ER4 is well tuned almost diffuse field, but flat. I EQ it to give it that -1db/oct slope thats consistent with good reference speaker setups in a treated room. I think the headphone show knocked that reference curve out of the park.
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Detail, to me (a non-audiophile, non-expert), is the ability to isolate different instruments in a recording and being able to listen to them exclusively via focusing on them (meaning all instruments are playing and can be heard, but you can focus on any single instrument you want and hear it very clearly, almost as if they were playing alone). Sometimes with a very good recording of an orchestra, I can isolate 1st string versus 2nd string as they are playing; it's a surreal experience. I use Sennheiser HD660S (original) with an Objective2+ODAC.
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Love your content DMS! Keep it up.
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Aaaaah, I have had so, so many discussions on this and I 100% agree that detail is different things to different people. But I also think that it's likely a collection of factors combined for each person.
For me, I hear detail primarily as a function of frequency response balance, but also, I theorize, as a function of driver displacement for a signal at a given voltage & current. For example, if I play a particular frequency at, say, 0 dBFS and then play the same frequency at -6dBFS through a transducer, the transducer should displace air for the second signal half as far as the first signal. If it displaces further, I'd likely call it more detailed and if it displaces less than that, I expect I'd call it less detailed. This is something I really want to test, I just haven't had time to do so.
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2:58 vsauce music starts playing
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