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Genre: Gaming
Date of upload: Dec 30, 2023 ^^
Rating : 4.937 (81/5,081 LTDR)
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Top Comments of this video!! :3
Honestly I genuinely look serious thoughtful analysis of Bad Media. Trying to actually figure out what a work did and was trying to do, the places it might have succeeded and the ways it definitely failed, especially in something extremely messy like this, is one of the best ways to learn how to tell better stories. Bad art is still art and as such it still deserves to be examined in good faith.
Also, if I'm being honest, I get so tired of just dunking on bad media just for being bad that seeing a video trying to give the game any sort of actual look is very refreshing.
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The Ancient Romans had sponges. Infamously, sponges on long sticks, xylospongium. So I think more advanced and sea-bordering kingdoms of Middle-earth would have sponges. Gondorians, Mordorians. Or at least the blasphemous high technology of Sauron may have included the sponge among its contraptions and war machines.
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This game did to me what Hunt Down the Freeman did: started off as this bile fascination, a game so utterly broken and bizarre and half-playable that I couldnt help but fall in love with it, become obsessed with it as it was on release, and then made me curious about the source material on which it was built (Lord of the Rings and Half-Life respectively), so much so that I ended up joining the fandom to this incredibly popular thing 20 years late and in the midst of a relative lull in popularity.
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Not too difficult to read the exchange at 23:07 as a metaphor. The discussion about where the orcās invisible milestone and chain is attached is telling us how the man and the orc differently view their relationship with one other. The orc sees the man as a plain liability to him, hence āankleā. The man interjects with āneckā because he perceives having control over the orc.
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On the bird "betraying Gollum" I dunno how intelligent it is, nor am I sure if it's stated but like... Couldn't it just be acting similarly to a homing pigeon who's also imprinted on Gollum? Gollum sends it out, so it returns to the Candle Master, who then follows it back to Gollum?, where it inadvertently alerts the Candle Master as it tries to get Gollum's attention, as it sees Gollum as its parent, and then defends him when threatened.
I know giving animals human-like agency happens often in LOTR, but it is an alternate reading to "bird likes gollum, then betrays gollum, then betrays gollum again, then betrays the Candle Master" it would also explain why the bird doesn't just watch and spy from a distance. It's just coming to the person it views as a parent, and to a familiar place where it lived for years, ultimately being an innocent animal.
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23:34 Loving this video so far, just thought I'd point out that this exchange between the orc and the frail man isn't literal; the orc says the frail man is "a useless millstone chained to [his] foot," and the frail man corrects him: "neck." This is because "a millstone about one's neck" is a common idiom referring to something that drags one down. The orc, being an orc, doesn't understand the saying and so says it incorrectly. The man, being more cultured, corrects him, which the orc takes poorly. It's a brief exchange that is more culture and characterization than a literal question of literal chains tied to literal feet or necks. For as janky as this game is, this moment makes sense.
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1:09:57 You've brought up the idea the game has assigned some strange motive to the elves a couple times, but is this really so weird? Of all the things you would easily expect from a Gollum game, or a game that features servants of Sauron, negative opinions of the elves, their culture, their objects of worship, etc. would probably be a given. From what we know from dialogue from Gollum and orcs in The Lord of the Rings, the elves are viewed as strange, fierce and weirdly associated with light in a negative contexts. Creatures of darkness probably would find that idea intimidating. But even Faramir in the books and Gimli in the films have, at first blush, a misconception about Galadriel, one of the most important elves. Treebeard himself describes the land of Lothlorien as if it were dangerous, and he likely knows everything there is to know about this woods. Alternative perspectives on the elves aren't hard to come by, and the idea that servants of Sauron would view starlight with suspicion makes sense in the canon given that Sauron was a servant of Melkor, enemy of the Valar (including Elbereth, who wove the stars into the sky, which is why stars are one of the symbols of the Valar and of everything good in Middle-Earth) makes quite a bit of sense. It's actually pretty funny to think of Sauron's followers having weird conspiracy theories about why the elves are secretly the real bad guys.
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1:35:57 Actually, and this might genuinely interest you, as I believe in the Appendices of The Lord of the Rings and in writings published elsewhere such as The Silmarillion, the Free Peoples in the North have a real struggle on their hands defending the Lonely Mountain in particular from the forces of Sauron. Legolas actually references this fact when he and Gimli make small talk in Helm's Deep about how they wished they had some elves or dwarves to help with the defense. However, if you really want a Lord of the Rings related video game rabbit hole to go down with respect to this idea, you should check out an older title called "The Lord of the Rings: The War in the North." It adapts a few gaps in the story of The Lord of the Rings, just like "The Lord of the Rings: Gollum" does, and came similarly from a small studio that suffered afterwards. But that's another story, for the interested.
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I feel recognized by the "people who have started their sleep routines" comment.
I am currently in the bathroom, about to wash my hands and remove my contact lenses, then I'm going to clean up in the kitchen, make some supper and go to bed, all the while keeping the video in the background. YouTube videos help me sleep. Thank you.
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to be fair, I donāt think ākill the birdā necessarily implies that gollum views what heās about to do as a punishment ā I think itās moreso a self-serving act at the expense of the birdās life. as long as the bird is alive, there is always the chance that it will try to help him but end up turning him back in. despite being bonded with gollum, it is at the end of the day just an animal, and it it doesnāt understand the nuances of political allegiance ā to the bird, mordor isnāt a place of betrayal, itās its home where it was hatched. of course the bird is going to keep reporting back to mordor. the choice to kill it is a bit cruel, yes, but itās practical, and thatās what makes it gollumās choice, moreso than any possible implication of ārevengeā. smĆ©agol lets the bird go knowing full well that it could ābetrayā his location again, and gollum does what he has to to avoid being caught. I donāt think he takes any pleasure in it either, honestly. the cutscene is distinctly sad. of course whether or not that sadness is successfully conveyed is debatable but thatās sort of besides the point. I wish everything surrounding this scene wasnāt so muddled because I think itās one of the few in the game that had the definite potential to be actually very good ā it just. didnāt end up that way unfortunately
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@DukeofWhales
4 months ago
Okay so obviously no one wanted this, but I want this channel to cover more than just the big AAA classics, especially because some of the best stories come from smaller titles/studios. Not in this instance, obviously, but I was just curious about Gollum and didnāt think anyone else was going to make a long-form on it. Assassinās Creed II is up next, then another smaller title (a good one this time, I promise), then probably the Dragonborn DLC. People keep asking about Morrowind, I am planning to make a critique but Iām trying to get a full playthrough or two in first, so thatās happening in the background. Thank you everyone for watching!
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