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Stories about the Stars
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Horowitz, Wayne. 2011. Mesopotamian Cosmic Geography. Eisenbrauns
Lehoux, Daryn. 2011. Astronomy, Weather, and Calendars in the Ancient World. Cambridge University Press
Tester, Jim. 1999. A History of Western Astrology. The Boydell Press
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Chapters
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0:00 Introduction
1:35 The Story of the Constellations
2:43 Naming the Planets
6:18 Egypt and the Birth of the Zodiac
9:42 The Greeks
10:22 The Myths of the Zodiac
10:42 Aries
11:13 Taurus and Gemini
12:01 Cancer and Leo
12:51 Virgo
13:36 Libra and Scorpio
14:38 Sagittarius and Capricorn
15:51 Aquarius and Pisces
17:02 The Romans
19:46 The Silk Road and China
21:18 Chinese Mythology
21:56 How the Zodiac and Astrology Evolved
23:34 The Persian Golden Age
26:22 Astrological Controversies
29:17 Ophiuchus: A 13th Sign?
34:58 The Truth about Astrology
36:44 The Value of Astrology
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I'm not super into the zodiac, but I always find it sad that most of us live in places where we can't see many stars. I went camping a few weeks ago, far from any city or large town, and was shocked by how many stars I could see. š
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Iām an Ophiucan and lifelong science nerd. Whenever anyone asked me what sign I was I would tell them Ophiucus, which invariably got me nothing but a blank stare in response. Interestingly, no one ever asked me what I was talking about or showed any curiosity about my answer. Maybe they thought I didnāt understand their question and I was telling them I was from some obscure country called Ophiuc.
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Thank-you for your video, Crecganford.
The mechanics of Astrology flourished due to the knowledge that the Sun is the centre of the solar system: the Earth is placed in the centre of the natal chart. I have a degree in psychology and have studied Astrology since I was a teenager and I've not come across any particular conflict between these two systems. The biggest difference is that Astrology is much faster at indicating times and natures of critical experiences.
Finding new planets resulted in discussions of their meanings and applications but even the moons of the outer planets and asteroids have been associated with mundane phenomena, now. There was never a 'crisis' when Uranus, Neptune or Pluto were discovered. The planets were associated with the times in which they were discovered and astrological theorists determined their most suitable integration, a process of democratic discussion and observation conducted over decades, and based on observation.
In the 1980s, the 13th sign debate was about Arachnid. Seems to be a pop culture phenomenon to attract attention to and to cast doubt on the reliability of Astrology. Please beware of any 'debate' as a debate is never about the truth, but about whose argument is most persuasive. Astrology functions on observation, not opinion. Basics: 360 divided by 12. There will never be a 13h sign.
I strongly recommend reading some useful texts and applying theory to reality before offering opinion on fundamental changes to an ancient system. Dane Rhudhyar, Martin Shulman, AT Mann and Robert Pelletier are good starting points.
There are many people who view Astrology with disdain but very few who've bothered to investigate one of our most thoroughly developed systems of mythology. As you've noted, this system has continuity spanning millennia and a variety of cultures, languages, and technologies, and it is still functioning beautifully!.
I hope you get to know your natal chart.
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A vid on mesopotamian cosmology would be very cool indeed
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Always a pleasure to hear you unwind the knotted threads of our ancient notions on place and purpose. Thanks again, Jon. All the best š¤
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There is a longtime misunderstanding there.
Astrology is about the movement of planets (+sun & moon) along their apparent (i.e. geocentric) path in the sky. This path (the zodiac) has been arbitrarily divided in twelve equal 30Ā° parts, called the signs. This division is based on the seasons, that is on equinoxes and solstices, on the orbit of earth around the sun with respect to its inclination. Not on the stars in the background. Since Antiquity we know that this path is not constant, and Kepler/Newton have showed why.
SOME constellations (12) have been named for these signs. For example, people born in deep summer having the traits of lions, the sign got the name of Lion and afterwards the group of stars got that name.
The rest of star clusters have been named later, by the Greeks, for mythological figures in the greek pantheon: Andromeda, Pegasus, Cassiopea, Procyon, Orion... and Ophiuchus. These are NOT zodiacal constellations!
( Probably the Chaldeans didn't need to name star clusters for themselves.)
Anyway, the idea of a constellation is totally arbitrary, no law exists to attribute a star to this or that cluster. It is only very recently (end of XIXth c.) that a precise pattern of cutting the celestial sphere in zones has been designed, keeping the old name constellations for these zones. Among which Ophiuchus has been extended into the Zodiac and other "sign" constellations have spilled over.
So, neither the signs, nor the personalities associated, are derived from constellations. It is the other way around: those 12 constellation names are derived from the signs they were in, during those ancient times. Today, there is discrepancy between signs (seasons) and constellations (sky) because of the equinoxial precession since those times. For example, the vernal equinox is on 0Ā°Aries in Signs, but somewhere in Aquarius in Sky. Who cares? Astrology is about seasons and personality, not about astronomy.
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I love to study myths and astrology. Ophiuchus was recognized in both tropical and sidereal systems. It is tied into the Scorpio's story and bridges to Sagittarius. It brings different layers to those zodiac signs. As in regards to placement in the 12 houses it's considered to be part of Scorpio 8th house: Death and Transformation. It could be considered a hidden zodiac in relationship with the 12 tribes of Israel because Levi is a hidden tribe, the priest class. If it becomes designated as its own zodiac and house it will become the 9th and the wheel will shift, Pisces will go from the 12th spot to the 13th.
One thing I dont like is modern astrologers don't know their astronomy. They use computers that dont take the wobble into account and their charts are all wrong. Historically you needed astronomy and you looked through a telescope. So now they say its symbolism. Nope, people are lazy and dont want to study astronomy and learn to hand plot natal charts or readings like they did in the past. One day I want to be able to correctly plot natal charts using a telescope š after Im done with all my biology classes.
Love your videos. Thank you.
Im a sun pisces, lunar capricorn, rising leo and north node sagittarius born in the year of the wood rabbit. My three pillars are all rabbits. My hidden fourth pillar will stay hidden. As for the Vedic system, I shift into Aquarius but Im a Pisces hands down. šāŗļøš
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BIG FAN of your work. I am a professional astrologer (with an educational background in psychology) rooted in archetypal symbology and ancient mythology (I include Ophiuchus lol) I reference your work often. truth be told I was worried going into this video that you (like many academics) were going to have far too literal of a lens to cover this topic from a perspective that gives it the respect it deserves, I was wrong - this was fabulous. will be joining your Patreon, did I hear you mention before that it grant access to a giant mythological database?
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Chinese and Vedic astrology is so complicated. Chinese - not only the year, but the hour and minute when you were born. I'm a metal Ox, but have almost no Yang in my chart. Vedic I'm a Libra, because they work off the moon (Western Scorpio). Fascinating stuff. Thanks for this rabbit hole dive into astrology.
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Absolutely Awesome! Had investigated this topic myself, but how you connected the cultural adaption across the timeline- awesome!
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Dude, your library is looking so nice these days!!!! You can never have too many books, I say!!!ā¤
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Good one! I love how you don't seem to believe in anything but know all about everything!
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I'm one! December 13th. Some people call me a natural healer and I can charm animals, truth!
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Great work, thank you, I so look forward to your videos! Take good care!
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I love learning with you xxx thanks Jon.
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Love your videosā¦ thanks for what you do
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The underlying problem here is basically one of misnomers, not science. The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn were misnamed for the constellations that lied behind them at the time, but that doesnāt mean the Tropics are unscientific. āA rose by any other name would smell as sweetā, and the Sun reaching a Tropic makes a solstice, regardless of what you call it.
In this same thread, the āSignsā were not based on the constellations, which vary wildly in size. The Signs are 12 30Ā° segments of the ecliptic because there are two Solstices, and two equinoxes (4) and between each of these Cardinal points the Moon goes around 3 full times (4x3=12). This makes 12 equal sections, of which the pie-slices were named after constellations seen behind them at the time, but the constellations are not their origin or the rationale behind their interpretive functions.
Understanding this, no, the Zodiac was not broken by leaving out Ophiuchus. It gets broken by including it.
Still love the video, one of my favorite YT channels of all time!
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Great video and excellent work!
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Excellent work as always! This has probably been mentioned before, but I'd love to see your take on the mythological theories of Robert Graves.
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@Crecganford
8 months ago
Did you want to know about Babylonian cosmology? Or any other culture?
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