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Damn. The occupy wall street connection! I remember going to a demonstration with a man that I was seeing at the time and it was so odd seeing all of these overly privileged people push the homeless out of the park around city hall in LA. It felt odd back then but Iāve only really been able to put the pieces together now. The bold resentment for the unhoused coupled with the performative nature of their activism was too much to ignore
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A couple months ago, I was at a bar wearing my anarcho-autistic hoodie (it just says Autistic with the "A" being circled). I went up to say hi to a friend and one of the guys at the table asked if I was "on the spectrum." I thought this was a perfectly reasonable question, given my attire, so I answered "yes" and we moved on. I thought that would be the end of it, but a bit later, my friend came up to me and started talking about how she was so sorry for what he said, that she didn't know him that well, etc. I spent quite a long time trying to explain that it I didn't mind, that I wasn't offended or hurt by what was said, but she kept insisting that his apparent rudeness was bad, actually. Ironically, that insistence was more offensive to me, because she acted like being "on the spectrum" was something taboo and that the social norms were more important than my own feelings. But I also know her well enough to know that she didn't mean it that way, and I'm definitely not going to rake her across the coals because of this.
I dunno. Your discussion reminded me of this, and I thought it could be a useful story to illustrate a lot of your points.
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Reminds me of walking in DC yesterday, in Edgewood, and seeing a Black Lives Matter sign in a window. Of a brand new, fancy rowhouse in the old neighborhood that it's gentrifying. With a "Private Property" sign in'the front lawn š
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Being a "regular dude" isn't bad,
Malcolm X was a "regular dude"
and became a intellectual giant.
Rest in Peace Malcolm š¤²š½š¤²š½š¤²š½
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Man Iāve been waiting to hear someone say all of this out loud for a long time - the thing about operationalising and being able to make a set of beliefs āpragmaticā really hit home, I think itās something lot of us white people in the LGBT+ community need to hear (white leftists everywhere, to some extent.) One of the realities of intersectional movements is that we need to be able to reach people and learn from people who have a completely different vocabulary from us, and if we canāt do that do that, then our movement really isnāt intersectional at all.
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Thank you for mentioning the trans experience. It is so fucking hard living in a society that talks about me, but never with me.
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this brings up a topic ive been thinking a lot about. in this idubbz situation: there's a spectrum of sides from he should dissapear to he's a saint. he just now apologized, which i saw as genuine. but i didn't forgive him until* he did. and i think the feelings of poc have really been dismissed in all this. i don't expect ian to tell his supporters to give grace to the poc that were hurt, but i will not let them get away with saying we should've just gotten over it. i hope im not being too combative in this case but i really believe my stance, apologizing is the bare minimum.
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that retwist is fresh as hell
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I agree with yall that MOST (more than 50%) people are where Josh is as far as understanding and comprehension of some of these issues, regardless of education or any other demographic marker. Unfortunately, the people who are where Josh is AND move the way he does, i.e., are reasonable and not coming from a place of malice, aren't the loudest, most active, or most prevalent voices. Those who believe as he does but ARE malicious and want to get money, clout, etc., are the ones who speak up in ways that impede progress, often by advocating for "tradition" or a return to how it used to be to the effect of passing legislation to limit the autonomy of grown trans people.
I hate that people probably dismiss Josh or write him off as a manosphere dude because, even if he's not as "educated" on these things, he's incredibly insightful, and, from what I've seen so far, he appears to genuinely want peace and understanding. I'd love to believe that most people are like Josh, but depending on the topic, I do not have the luxury of going into a conversation expecting that I'm getting a Josh rather than a Kevin Samuels.
Any possible solution escapes me right now, but I do think that maybe we can start by assessing when we have the luxury to offer grace. I'm a cis woman who dates men, so I have the luxury of being softer when speaking to someone I think is transphobic, whereas a trans person does not. Josh and Eddy did something similar when pushing back on some of the misogynistic things expressed by the Suburban Boys in that first conversation.
On the other hand, if you claim to be engaging in good faith and actually wanting to learn, a similar assessment should take place but in reverse. In this scenario, we should assess what luxury or lack thereof the person we're speaking to has to offer us grace. I'm not saying let people denigrate or disrespect you, but I don't think it's acceptable for someone who claims to want to be better to refuse conversation because the person they're engaging with isn't kind, friendly, or inoffensive. I've been in queer spaces almost my entire life and have had trans women pop off on me. I've excused myself from spaces/conversations when I perceived that folks just wanted to get a bunch of licks in. But, where they're just rude or shady, I take it on the chin and push through.
Anger is a justified response to oppression, and dispassionate "debate" is not a virtue. If people want progress rather than to be right, they have to "roll with the punches," so to speak.
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I totally love when I see FD and the folks from waving the red flag together!
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i know this might be wrongheaded, but i honestly feel like anyone who didn't grow up in poverty or under racialized terror should spend some time living outside. it will humble you and greatly increase you're understanding about what people in the most abject position under capitalism actually face and actually need.
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I appreciate you bringing up that example about trans people. It's hard not wanting to play into the whole "trans people are just too sensitive" narrative but it really is exhausting the way we're talked about in the media. I think I give people a lot of grace when it comes to myself, but it does wear you down and I understand why other trans people refuse to deal with that
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Of all the breadtube creators, F.D. Signifier is my favorite. He brings with his analysis a self-awareness that I rarely see with other political content creators.
However...
There is a section of the online left that is obsessed not with social justice or fighting conservative policies, but with purifying the left. They get their fulfillment from this sort of autocannibalistic leftier-than-thou crusade.
They're comfortable with F.D. now, but it's only a matter of time before they come for him and when they do, he will have done nothing to deserve it.
I predict that this will happen within about 3 years.
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I really like these chats. Y'all three have great conversational chemistry.
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I agree and I donāt. Patience is a luxury when engaging in conversations about the dispossession and the disenfranchisement of minority groups I think the ability to have patient intellectual discussions about their plate is a privilege and should be treated as such to the person attempting to disenfranchise those groups.
If I call myself an ally to a particular group, which I donāt usually agree with usage of that term, because an allies, just a friend, but where I to say that I have every reservation and right to be angered on their behalf.
Just because I am not personally affected by anti-trans legislation, anti-gay legislation, anti-black legislation, or any other form of hatred or bigotry, doesnāt mean that I cannot be outraged and be intolerant of intolerance or intolerant conversations are people.
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I would PAY to listen to them having a podcast. The mix of the normie and PhD with a great younger perspective with the slang talks and not just academic or normie talk abt issues. OH MY MAMA- but unfortunately I dont earn rn lol
SO IM JUST GONNA- hope lol and follow all three of em
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Great discussion! Yall made so many great points, I wish I could write them all here! I want to give a special thank you to Josh though, for the idea of asking why someone thinks the way they do, so you have a jumping off point for discussion; I have some close family members who are deeply entrenched in alt-right thought and rhetoric and oftentimes when trying to discuss my views with them, communication breaks down and we end up just trying to win the debate over one another. Being able to ask where a family member is coming from, and then try to use what I have learned to try and meet them there could be a huge stepping stone for me to actually offer them some insight in a way that isn't combative, thank you again for the advice, Josh! š
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Josh putting his face into his hands just as it fades out.... LOLOL! š¤
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Love these convos and critiques thanks guys
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@KatBlaque
11 months ago
On the subject of exhaustion as a trans woman..yeahā¦Iām there. Whatās frustrating is Iāve been making content advocating for myself and other trans people for 18 years. Iāve literally been evicted because of that work. Then you have these cis white men who call themselves leftists who do not have much understanding, or frankly respect for that who want me to rehash and repeat myself and will call me āpart of the problemā for not doing so. Itās a trap. Thatās why Iām getting out of making that kind of content. Iāve done that work more than most people and Iām tired of repeating myself. These people do have a lot of energy. Youāre right to point out that when it comes to actually getting engaging with us thatās when the isms come out. Because itās clout driven, not empathy driven
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