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Top Comments of this video!! :3
Guy in middle wouldnât stop talking! In an interveiw, you usually do most of the listoning
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I remember reading Neil Peart in the 80s mentioned his horse racing theme on the concert Toms tensioning
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Amazing, love this...thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My favorite kit which I do not own anymore was a 70's Gretsch with 18" bass, 12 &14 toms and I just used my ears to tune (tension) and did not concern myself with the star pattern or tapping each lug to tune the head to itself and it sounded great, I would tune the tom batter and reso to the same tone or pitch so they sounded the same and then tweak to my satisfaction . I would do the same with the snare and then bring up the batter to a place that sounded right but most importantly felt right. Time to get back to that. I am in total agreement with Ronn. The feel is really important to me, the way the stick interacts, it is all about the bounce to quote Buddy.
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Early on, i was in a band ( Everyone Involved, paying at early 1970s alternative festivals in England) playing either my kit or congas, with another member who played keyboards, violin, and drumkit on severalnumbers so we got to share my kit, and i thus got to hear it from BOTH sides.
I rapidly realised that what i heard sitting on the kit, was very different from the sound rolling out forwards and mingling with the sound of the whole band. This was in an era of minimal PA and crude monitors, the process of mic-ing up and eq-ing and amplifying would mask some of this nowadays.
Anyway, i realised that i was getting a sound from batter heads facing .me from 2--3ft away, with the click of stics hitting, which was really different from the sound out in the room, and that i would have to rethink the whole way i approached tuning the kit, so the sound would have some clarity and definition.
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45:57 because the head sit at at a different place depending on the bearing edge depending on the cut, but the diameter is the same on the head.. that has an effect on feel at the same pitch and overtone. like if you change a guitar scale length the tension at the same pitch would be different
also, the listen test,he contradicts his "wood doesn't matter" theory.
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The whole drum tuning culture is hilarious. Do what sounds good TO YOU.
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Interesting talk. I play drums, and also analogue synths, pianos, guitar, and I sing. Pitch is a more distinct thing on say a piano than it is on a drum. For a piano you hear for a C1, also some C2, G2, C3, itâs part of the timbre for a piano. A drum head is a wide membrane, and you can there for example have two concrete different pitches come out at once, which depending on which they are can make the drum seem more quiet. For a beginner, itâs very hard to tension the head/membrane to have complimenting pitches come off it that work together. Not least because changing any lug will change tension in a bunch of other places. One of the best tips I have is to use two keys opposite each other, and learn a perfect 1/8 of a turn. Then slowly tension the drum, tap it each round, until you hit spots that sound good to you. For each drum Iâve owned, those spots are in different places. Once youâve done that 1,000 times you can probably use 1 key and make bigger turns and get there faster.
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Ronn Dunnett is the Swiss watch of drum makers !!! He Rock's
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I had to learn how to tension my drums as a 14 year old. Over time I refined that technique. Simon Phillips showed how equal tension on the top and bottom heads on the toms produces maximum projection. For me snare drums and bass drums require the batter head to be higher tension than the resonant head. I really like Ronn's explanations. Feeling the torque on the tension rods comes with practice.
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Cheers Drumeo.Great stuff.
Tuning is so personal isn't it.I mean where do we begin?However having stated,there are basic not so basic ground rules to observe.Each to his own
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Blessings.
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I appreciated how casual this was. Itâs just like guys hanging out at the drum shop.
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What a fascinating discussion and argument on tuning.
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The guy keep on interrupting people on the middle of their sentences. Repeated many times in this video. So rude and egoistic. Very rough conversation.
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Would have liked to hear more from Ronn Dunnett and alot less from Kyle Radomsky. Same on the Tommy Aldridge video. Constantly cutting off the ones I want to hear from and forcing me to listen to him. UGH!
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As someone who has been playing for about 10 years it's refreshing to hear a new approach to this topic. Sometimes I find myself getting frustrated even now with tuning or tensioning. But I now have a tool that I will try to implement thank you so much!
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I use digital / electronic tuning since 1990. Am very happy with Tunebot. Can realize many tunings ( 3rd, 4th, major chords, tune of shell, low/medium/high pitch;) I also use it for percussion (bongos, congas, timbales) Ideal situation may be ( i did it) to have drums and percussion in tunings that go together very well (1 scale). I mostly use major chords on sets with 3 or more drums. I like 2C=65 Hz for 16" floor tom for a deep 80's ballad sound; that tone/pitch (major C-scale) feels OK for me in many songs. Than i also like 1C=33 Hz on the bass drum. But the deep sound may be to deep for modern ears/music. So i changed to 1D=37 Hz on 22" bass drum =2D=73 Hz on 16"floor tom to have more rebound and a shorter and higher sound. That means every toms goes up 1 full note in pitch. And 10"toms than often is 3D= 147 Hz. Than normal fast fills are possible. To being able to do very fast fills tune up all toms again 1 full note. Snare drum on 3G =196 Hz is the medium tuning I mostly use. 2F =175 Hz is low(blues) and 3A = 220 Hz is high (funky) for snare drum . I use the Tunebot recommended tuning for bass drums 22"= 1D = 37 Hz. but ...bass drums often can be tuned lower ()1C= 37 bHz) or higher (1E= 41 Hz or higher) than the recommendations. I only tune with fundamental notes and for the lugs i use the Diff. same value at all lugs. To find the fundamental note, i play in the centre of the drum. It may take a while to get the right fundamental because of all the overtones. E-rings or slapklatz does help to reduce overtones. Bass drums may be very difficult to tune to a pitch but ...i can do it if i have enough time. I am a bachelor engineer and used to do certified and calibrated measurements so ...working with electronic equipment and/or software is normal practice for me. I also can tune without an e-tuner and tune drums to the pitches that were used befor I started tuning. When all lugs are same the PLOING effect mostly is gone. There are ways to reduce snare buzz ....that is the higher school of drum tuning. Dave Weckl has tips on that. Simon Phillips demonstrated top and bottom same in a clinic/Master class. If you like high pitches / big spread in tones 4th is a nice way to go on a big drum kit. Start with the lowest tom and than go up. With 3 toms following tunings may give good results 1 3 5 1 4 6 1 5 8 Where a normal major scale is 12345678 (for instance 2c 2d 2e 2f 2g 2a 2b 3c) https://tune-bot.com/tunebottuningguide.pdf Good luck and ... i know most drummers dont like electronics, pitches, scales, notes, tuning/tension equipement. My exdperience ...if you are serious about sound and you pay attention to tuning ...everybody will hear you have a tuned drum kit. Simon Phillips and Dave Weckl are great examples but .... most top drummers have a tuned drum kit. If you dont bother about anything ... some kits just dont sound . If you use a lot of Gaffa Tape or other muffling and have a good sound engineer ... most drum kits will sound OK. Finger in centre of drumhead and tension the lug(s) that give rimples often may give a very quick result.
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This is funny.
Directly under this video is Rick Beato holding a snare; "how to tune your drums like a pro!"
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Hi Iâm New Here i Love Drum This My First Time See Youâre Video There Rock
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@dunnettclassicdrums
1 year ago
If the message somehow got lost in the format, my apologies. Everyone - and I mean EVERYONE has their own methods for tensioning, "tuning" or whatever. I am less about my methods and more about HOW my method ties into the concept of how to approach the process, especially for beginners and intermediate drummers. Part of the problem is that with so much information and devices available - and not all of it good or useful - it can be very confusing. I am trying to simplify what IS and what should be a simple process by introducing drummers to a fresh educational perspective, explaining it and trying to alleviate some of the frustration and anxiety many drummers have expressed to me over the past 30 years.
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