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Speaking as one of the devs who actually worked on the original Civ, yes Gandhi tended to nuke you. It was not intentional, but resulted from the fact that Gandhi usually didn't built much of a military, and advanced rapidly in tech. So when you betray your alliance with him and attack, his only recourse was to nuke you.
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That weird moment when you walk past my flat in your video...
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Sid: "I don't want to detract the player's personal experience because in the end it's a story."
Chris: intense thought; hundreds of rereads
Chris: "'Stay Civilized'? I think he's trying to tell us it's a story."
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Wouldn't this be really easy to figure out by poking into the code of Civilization 1? If the threat level is stored as an unsigned integer then the Nuclear Gandhi story is probably true, if it isn't then it probably isn't.
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Brian Reynolds: I'm 99.99% sure it's not true
Chris: We'll never really know if its true
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I feel like thereās no way to read that email as anything but a āDonāt ruin Santa Clause for your siblingsā type of response from Sid. Itās still very cute that he recognizes that this mythology is still valuable though, not bc itās true, but bc of what it means to people. Itās probably just like they said, Gandhi was equally as violent as other leaders, but itās just so much more notable for Gandhi to nuke somebody so it stands out more.
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Well, seems like we got our answer. Sid Meyer released his memoir, and outright stated it was never the case. Seems like his email wasn't meant to be mysterious, he just didn't want to give away the secret from his book.
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You can tell B-boy has been doing some deep invastigations from his beard.
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I played a lot of the original civ. Gandhi nuked me a lot. It got to the point where I would restart if Gandhi was next to me. Yes, I am open to the idea that there wasn't a bug and it was just the fact that Gandhi was the one nuking that made it stand out.
However, it wasn't like that many high school kids were playing Civ back then to implant that idea in my mind. Gandhi was a jerk!
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Meier's response is an embrace of Death of the Author, not wanting to get involved because it's totally counter to his philosophy as a creator and his reasons for making games. He's a true artist.
Still, it's hard not to take his comment as confirmation that Nuclear Gandhi is a myth and he doesn't want to be the guy who crushes the dream. His message was coy but I don't think it was neutral.
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Journalist: What do you think of āSid Meierās Civilizationā?
Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.
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Imagine living your whole life as a peace maker, becoming famous in India and around the world only to be remembered as the dude who nukes without remorse in civilization
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Fairly certain āstay civilizedā is primarily Sid Meierās catchphrase, Iād be surprised if he doesnāt end every email or piece of text he signs off on with āstay civilized.ā Still, that was some amazing investigation work, good job. Too bad nobody you got in contact with didnāt decide to try and look at the original code out of curiosity.
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Unhelpful answer aside, from that letter Sid Meier sounds like a nice mate.
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Hah! I worked on Civ4, Civ revolution, Civ5 and civ6 (at the beginning), and Even I thought the myth of the bit flipping was true. Thanks for making this video.
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There is a way to find a definitive answer. You just need to PEEK at the source code for Civ 1 while it's running. Just find the variable that's the aggression level for Gandhi, and see if it actually overflows or not when the civ gets democracy.
It's not like the code is going to change on it's own.
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I think the description of this bug as apocryphal is correct. Brian Reynolds' letter seems to largely fit with what I can find elsewhere of the descriptions of how aggressiveness is tabulated. Other civilizations apparently have equal (or lower, when counting all three aggressiveness types) aggressiveness as India, so even if it existed, this could not be an India-specific bug.
The bug, as-described, would also rely on some odd programming decisions that, from what I can find of compilers and practices with at-the-time C (what Civ1 was apparently written in), would have been unlikely to occur. While the idea of an underflow bug is common in programming, it wouldn't usually occur with an 8-bit value.
In C, "char", "signed char", and "unsigned char" are the only 8-bit data types (proper integers -- "int" and friends -- are all 16-bit), and, for x86 processors at the time, plain old "char" would, with most compilers, apparently result in "signed char". So someone would likely have had to go out of their way to use an "unsigned char" data type for something that, by all accounts I can find, only needs three possible values.
(It's entirely possible I'm wrong about some aspect of this, though. I was a baby at the time, and finding detailed documentation on the functioning of 30-year-old toolchains is difficult.)
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I loved how you presented this one! The near film-noir detective vibe seeped through at just the right amount :) And the final message of respecting player imagination is a nice one to see.
I hope there's more of you getting 'a bit carried away with that one' in future episodes!
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I've never picked up a Civ game, but it still feels like my heart is being broken. At least from my programming teacher, this story is how integer under/overflow is taught today.
When it does come to learning the truth, I feel like it's time to for the community to act as scientists, rather than journalists. Experimentation and/or decompiling the code will eventually lead us to the truth
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@endybendy5699
4 years ago
Maybe Nucleur Gandhi is just the friends we made along the way.
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