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@17:47 Could anyone help me..what did he mean "pre-echoing the 9th symphony"?
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1:03:33 I find it funny how schiff mentions Palestrina as apparently that is someone who Beethoven read up on later in life and drew inspiration amongst Bach and Handel.
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3:30 No Sir Andras! I'm not going to admit it! My first Hammerklavier was the legendary recording of Schnabel, which remains up to this day the fastest first movement ever(under 9 minutes!). Then there was Solomon, whose first movement lasts 10 minutes, Gulda with 7 and a half minutes (without the repeat which means again less than 10 minutes), Pollini and Nat with 10 minutes 40 etc...Actually, in your own recording, the first movement lasts longer than all the previous pianists' recordings, with 11 and a half min., the same as Brendel, Backhaus and Kempff( whose first movement lasts 8 min. 42 without the repeat). On the other hand, you said that Liszt was the first pianist to have been able to master this sonata. But in a letter to countess Sayn-Wittgenstein, he states that this sonata's duration is "almost an hour"! It must have been boring to death, and we hear some people today advocating this slow tempo for a sillier reason than the "wrong metronome of Beethoven": none of the pianists from Liszt up till now know HOW to read a metronome marking! When Beethoven says minim=138, this should mean crotchet= 138, so you have to multiply all durations by 2, and then "we can have breakfast, lunch and dinner" while you're still playing! Brilliant idea!
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Whilst Andras Schiff is a wonderful pianist and a charming speaker, he is wrong on various counts about the tempo of this work. He says that Beethoven's 138 for the first movement works perfectly, but his own demonstration in this recording comes nowhere near to reaching that speed if you set a metronome against it, despite the fact that it is very fast for the musical content. Also we do not know how many metronomes Beethoven owned. If the one at the Musikverein 'looks like a normal one' as Sir Andras states, then it is not one of the 200 much larger prototype models (1 ft tall) which Maelzel sent out to the leading musicians of the day for 'celebrity endorsement' including Beethoven. We are told by various sources including Saint Saens and von Bulow as well as Anton Schindler that these were incorrectly calibrated and worked more slowly than the smaller model which superceded them and were more generally accurate. Some of Beethoven's metronome markings work, others do not. It is a problem which is not confined to Beethoven, but affects the music of Clementi, Chopin and many others.
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Fortepianos at Beethoven's time didn't have Erard-mechanic yet like our modern grand pianos. Hence the repetitions would have been physically impossible at the "original" metronomic tempo in the first movement. There is no room for speculation on that. Just go to a real Hammerklavier and you will see. That has nothing to do with "wanting to be smarter as the composer", it is sheer facts about the instruments.
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@erickakudry
8 months ago
THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!
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