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When comparing air travel to train, you're forgetting one major metric: travel from airport to the city center. Trains take you from city center to city center, where the vast majority of people want to go. Often, airports are outside of the city and one must then travel from airport <-> city center which often takes around 45 minutes each way (and also costs €). In addition, airports have security lines requiring an additional 45 minutes of travel; whereas, you can walk right onto a train without hindrance.
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"Airports exist effectively everywhere" (17:30) is a very American view. If you want an airport that has actual service to useful other places you need to go to the nearest major city. Rails on the other hand do exist almost everywhere. Even small towns can have local train lines, and if they do not then there is probably a frequent bus service to the nearest town that does.
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The main problem of rail transport in Europe is not at all a question of market liberalisation. In fact, there is no example of railway liberalisation that has led to a long-term improvement in service. The main problem is related to the infrastructure. In addition to the lack of high-speed tracks to connect different countries, there are different industrial standards between countries and even within countries. For example, the track gauge is not the same in Spain as in the rest of Europe, so it is technically not possible to use the same vehicles between Spain and the rest of Europe. Then there are different electrifications. The Germanic countries use electricity at 15000V 16.7hz, Italy works with 3000V 50hz, France has had the intelligence to use 3 different electrification voltages (25000V, 3000V and 1500V). And finally, the safety systems integrated into the tracks are not the same. France uses crocodile, TVM300, TVM 430, ETCS1 and ETCS2, Switzerland uses ETCS 1 and 2, Germany uses ETCS 1 and 2 and ZUB, etc. So a company that would like to make a Prague-Barcelona train via Munich, Zurich, Geneva, Lyon, Marseille, would have to buy machines capable of accepting 3000V DC, 15'000V AC, 25'000V AC and 1500V DC, be equipped with ETCS 1, ETCS 2, TVM 300, TVM 420, ZUB, LZB, PZB and crocodile. And with this train, it would not be possible to run outside the high-speed line in Spain because the track gauge would be different. Moreover, if the transport company operates multiple lines, it would have to have several different trains fleets, as it is still other systems in other countries. This is why international trains are rare in Europe: it is excessively complicated to produce international trains, which only represent a very small share of the market. And you can easily see that this is the real problem, because between different countries that use aproximately the same standards (Switzerland, Germany and Austria), the international service is of excellent quality. Liberalisation will not change these industrial barriers, only strong political action can overcome this problem
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A case study in trains vs planes: Shibuya-Shi to Hiroshima-Shi, a route my wife and I end up on every time we're in Japan. Many sources will tell you that's a 1.5 hour flight vs 4.5 hours by Shinkansen. Both are approximately the same cost. What no one tells you is flying involves taking a 1.5 hour train ride to Narita Airport, getting to the airport at least hour early, and Hiroshima Airport is an hour outside city center. When all is said and done, it takes at least five hours and lots of tedium before you're in Hiroshima city center.
Conversely, going by Shinkansen, it's around 15 minutes from most train stations around Tokyo to the Shinkansen terminal in Shinagawa station, waiting on the platform for another 5 to 15 minutes for your train to show up, then relax on the Shinkansen for 4.5 hours, before landing directly in Hiroshima city center. Shinkansen offers far more leg room, and much more comfortable seats.
At the same cost, and same time after including all peripheral factors, one of these routes is far easier and far more relaxing.
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The absolute only thing that I am afraid of is that the high-speed network in Europe is going to be like buses in the UK. To travel from the outskirts of Manchester to the city centre, you have to get two tickets from two different bus operators with zero connectivity assurance. In Germany we have the trains which guarantee you arriving and we have so called public transport associations which bundle all different companies under one ticket. I want that for Europe's international high speed rail network.
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The Adam Something channel has a different perspective, which I find myself agreeing with. The fact that there are no continent-wide rail width or electrification standards really limits the ability to travel internationally. Private industry can clamour all they want, but it is usually public money that funds this infrastructure.
I just wish my country would get a decent, even moderate-speed rail network going. Genuinely quicker to drive interstate in so many cases.
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"Dense and efficient networks of passenger railways"
Shows British trains
Man, this is the best comedy channel on Youtube
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I honestly cannot wait for a fully interconnected high speed rail network in Europe. It took me a full day of travel to get from Copenhagen to Bath, and that was on almost entirely high speed rail. Being able to get from say London to Barcelona entirely on high speed rail, even on a single ticket (not an interrail pass), would be the dream.
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There is also a major flipside to rail privatization that i wish would have been mentioned in the video: Private companies will usually only run services on routes between major cities, while public rail operators also have to serve non-profitable routes to small cities and villages. This is why private companies can easily undercut the public rail operators in ticket prices and still be profitable. The loss in ticket sales to the public rail operators as a result of the new market competition can therfore be seen as a handout to the private competitors by the taxpayer.
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ÖBB (Austrian State Railways) are doing it right. They have brought back international night services across most of Europe and plan to expand greatly.
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Here in England we were told our railways were being opened to the market, yet there is next to no competition. Instead, there is a network of private monopolies which pay their shareholders dividends out of government-subsidies.
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I think the Thalys service should've been mentioned in this video. It's a french-operated train network that spans France and the neighboring countries Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany. Their trains are able to operate in the different rail standards of all countries seamlessly, avoiding any need for changing the locomotive at borders. This is part of an EU effort to connect Paris, Brusseles, Cologne, Amsterdam and London by rail, with dedicated border crossing tracks and guidelines on how trains have to work in order to operate in all countries.
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A small correction, it takes a maximum of 10 minutes to walk from Euston to St Pancras. The stations are incredibly close. It’s a 1 minute tube journey too. Also, it is possible to book a through ticket from Paris to Manchester.
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Your analysis on French riviera's coastal cities might be right, but you forgot to take into consideration 2 key factors. The first is that extending the currently existing network is difficult due to geographical "bottlenecks", especially between Cannes and Fréjus, and between Nice and Monaco, making work such as adding rails or upgrading current network an engineering challenge. The second thing is that you mentioned "small cities between Cannes and the Italian border", while in between there is Antibes (80 000+ inhabitants), Nice (French 5th largest cities) and Monaco (major tourism and work place). The current network is already highly saturated for years.
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This video misses out on one very important fact: Trains, fundamentally, are not like planes. Yes, they are both modes of transport. Yes, it's good when both are cheap. But the difference is that planes are not mass transit systems like trains are. The number of people who commute by plane is negligible, and the mode of transit in general is very badly suited for that task. Trains however are mass transit, or at least can be. Although long distance trains can be compared to flying, regional trains cannot, and here's where my worry is: typically, the most profitable part of the railway system is the high-speed service. It's not clear from the video and I don't know from elsewhere what the pricing looks like for companies to operate on the rail infrastructure, but for the most part it won't make sense for companies to operate the regional trains that are really the important ones when it comes to public benefit and environmental impact. In Italy we've already begun to see this. Over the last few years Trenitalia has been announcing all sorts of great high-speed routes at a fairly low price (e.g. Milano to Paris), but at the same time they've been quietly deemphasizing regional trains. Italo has been operating as a competitor to Milano, and that's great, but most of the country has no competitor to bring the price down on regional trips. Those are held down I believe through government funding, however in many places lines are closed or service so bad as to be unusable. Additionally, the more the government thinks of trains as a commercial sector rather than a public service to be funded and directed for the good of the people, the worse off I think we'll be. That's the kind of thinking that got Britain its privatized network, and we saw where that got them.
Actually, that's a good point- How come Britain's privatization mess not make it into this video? It would seem like a prime example of what happens if you rush towards deregulation on a public service.
Additionally, as others have pointed out, privatizing and then allowing companies to swoop in and make their for-profit booking sites to take advantage of the confusion is a terrible solution to the problem. At present, if I need to take a train from Italy to Austria, I have a grand total of two booking sites to look at. If I need to get to Germany, make that three. Rather than making it a healthy half-dozen and then capitalizing on the resulting mess, why don't we, and I know this is gunna come across as a huge breakthrough of an idea, just make a site and app for booking trains across the EU, funded as a service by the EU? I know you mentioned countries don't like publishing their schedules, but if that's an insurmountable issue your proposed app won't have the timetables for ex-national/quasi-still-national operators anyway. It really doesn't make much sense to me as an argument for nationalisation.
All in all, it really doesn't strike me as one of your better videos, I'm afraid. It feels like you got convinced it was a good thing and then were bound and determined to prove that point.
Honestly I think this is a step backwards from a sustainable future where anyone can take the train to where they need to go, but let's be honest if our government is anything to judge by they're well and truly sold on the idea that electric cars are the future. It really makes me sick.
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this man is realllly dedicated to involving planes in his vids
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I think there are a few wrong assumptions in this video.
1. Europe did not choose to develop these networks, they mostly existed in some form or another. look at how Germany spends money on the road network compared to the train network. They are not developing much, they are barely maintaing a functional network.
2. Trains compete with Airplanes on Tourist flights. This is in my opinion the fatal flaw in this video. Most Countrys are trying to stop short-distance "hops" via planes and target buisness travelers. Here Rail comes into play. It makes sense to construct high speed rail between Frankfurt and Cologne since these are major buisness hubs. There was no incentive to interconnect these high speed segments further to London because that is already aircraft teritory (time-wise).
3. France is a bad example. Treat France like a gigantic hub-and-Spoke country. Want to get anywhere, better go through Paris. There are only a few interconnecting trains that leave out paris. Germany is a better example.
4. No advocacy for night-trains. Biggest advantage of rail. Enter a Train in Munich at 22:00 and wake up in Rome the next morning. Amazing!
The general terms and conditions apply (Trainstation closer to city than airport, Shinkansen to TGV/ICE is no fair comparision, and so on and so forth). I Agree that cross-Border-Rail needs to get better buit itinerarys are not the problem. A centralized Booking system is needed, that takes all operators into account and gives you one Ticket with full passenger-rights. Check out John Worth on Twitter and his corssBorderRail Project, very insightfull.
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This video is essentially an ad for the deregulation and privatization of rail service, not mentioning at all the decline in service that tends to result from it as well as the fact that cheap flights are heavily subsidized , by the means of things like tax exemptions on tickets and kerosene, as well as a plethora of small subsidies and socialized burdens of air travel.
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Living in London, it's often the case that traveling from home/city centre(ish) to the airport can take upwards of an hour and often costs nearly as much as a budget flight itself. Imagine paying £50 for a roundtrip flight to southern Europe, but then having to fork out another £30 just for the roundtrip train from central London to the airport (plus the cost of public transport from home to the train station in the first place). Then you land at your destination, where the airport is also likely to be well outside the city proper, and you better HOPE you arrive at a convenient time where bussess/shuttles/trains operate airport-city centre, because if you've taken a budget flight to a mid to small sized city it's more likely you'll arrive after those options close and your only option left is to book an uber to get you to your accommodation.
And that's without considering that you need to arrive at the airport at least 2 hours early each way, be ready to take off half your clothes and contents from your luggage to go through security, deal with delays where you're already effectively 'stuck' inside the departure area and can't do anything else, or when the plane lands and can't park at a gate, so you're sitting in that cramped space for even longer without any alternatives, and then you finally have to go pick up your luggage, which depending on luck can take ages to arrive as well. Plus the luggage limits that occasionally take you by surprise and you have to pay extra for going 1kg above the weight limit, or having to agree to let your carry-on with your valuables be put on the hold because it won't fit inside the cabin.
All in all, even the cheapest and quickest flight will still easily take a whole day of your vacation time each way and come with lots of hidden costs and stressful situations and lots of queueing/waiting/delays, etc. Trains cut down on these issues SIGNIFICANTLY, as long as you're not going an absurdly long distance and the trains and stations are in moderately good condition.
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I know Ryan air is cheap, but it is so much worse than paying a little extra for a high speed rail train. Almost all HSR trains have free internet, cell service, double the leg room, and cafe cars. Not to mention the train starts in the centre of the city without stressfully tight security and luggage restrictions. I know some people are on a tight budget, but if you book train tickets early, they can be surprisingly cheap, and much better than air travel.
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