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Iām a disabled person in a wheelchair and I LOVE Davros. His design his chair. Even once thought of decking out it chair to get the Davros look for a cosplay. I would hope more they go with the 3rd option cus Iād hate to lose that iconic design. Otherwise Davros as just a regular looking guyā¦loses the mystique
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One of the things that really annoys my about all of THE DISCOURSE is I feel sad for Julian Bleach - this was probably his one chance to play a character he's famous for and show his real face. This should have been a nice little treat for him to be seen without layers of prosthetics.
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I've never seen davros as disabled, I saw him as the half way point between kaled and dalek, the bottom half being the dalek bottom, his remaining body half way between the humanoid kalek and the dalek mutant, and with his eyes withered away replaced by a artificial eye in his forehead to replicate the dalek eye stalk.
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For disability representation in Doctor Who, I always loved Diane (Dan's friend from Flux). She was missing a forearm, but it never even came up in plot or dialogue. She was just Dan's friend, a cool person and an interesting character
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Seeing Julian Bleach play Davros without the make-up really demonstrates what a great actor he is.
He was so good, I want to see more of this Kaled Davros.
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My preferred way for Doctor Who to joke about itself would be episodes like School Reunion. Mickey realizing he's the tin dog, or Sarah Jane and Rose sniping at each other until they realize how much more validating it is to make fun of the Doctor. These were jokes that were just meta enough, but at the same time appropriate to the context and delivered well, without consuming the plot of the episode.
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I think choosing to depict Davros before he became disabled is a good idea, because it somewhat reframes Davros from "evil disabled person" to "evil person who became disabled". It's not much, but I think it's good damage control. We did previously see a non-chair-bound Davros in modern Who as a child, but he wasn't evil yet, so that doesn't decouple his evil from his disability (and thus doesn't do any damage control for the harmful trope).
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As someone who suffers from a disability (though not a physical one), one of my biggest pet peeves is seeing members who don't belong to a particular community speaking on behalf of said community. Did RTD actually speak to physically-disabled individuals to see if they felt this way? Because I have seen a lot of disabled people object to this change. I'd actually be curious to see someone poll disabled members of the fandom to see what the attitude toward this change is overall.
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Disabled person here who uses a mobility aid and also has a sight disability. Vera I totally agree with you especially when it comes to having positive counter examples of disabled people and only if they consult disability advocates and use a disabled actor if possible. I think these convos are far overdue. I do appreciate RTD talking about this and bringing visibility to this. Again I would hope in the future he would also make sure to consult with disability advocates on writing disabled characters if he were to use them again.
I like this short and when I first saw it I just thought they were depicting davros before his accident and that's it. But when I found out about RTDs statement on this I like it even more now.
I also thank you Vera for talking about it and for your other video on disability representation because seriously hardly anyone stands up for us disabled peeps and that's also problematic.
And the discourse is out of control. They changed the toymaker too because that character was written as a racist trope, but thankfully I haven't heard too much anger about that because that would be awkward.
The disabled community is not a monolith (there's a lot of internalized ableism in this world but that's a topic for another day) but that doesn't mean that show runners can't change how they portray visible disabled characters in the future. Sci-fi is long overdue for some positive disabled characters.
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I was at a comic-con in Glasgow and saw 2 children in wheelchairs who had both cosplayed as Davros. They both loved the character, and loved the idea of a character in their favourite show that they could cosplay as. So I entirely agree that there should be some more positive examples of disabilities, and I believe that there are some coming our way in the upcoming specials
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Quick thing abt the Jodie Whittaker Costume shenanigans. Sacha Dhawan literally regenerated into Jodieās costume earlier in that episode and nobody complained abt anything so David Tennant doing the same thing shouldnāt have made any sort of difference.
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I'm disabled myself and I personally fall under the "this is ridiculous" camp. Now, due to my own disability, I have been in contact with more disabled individuals than an average person, birds of a feather, and all that. Let me tell you... merely being disabled doesn't make you a saint. I know many people with disabilities who are absolutely lovely, and I also know many who simply put are not. We're not a monolith that way either.
I think it's rather silly for anyone to go "This evil character on a tv show is in a wheelchair, therefore I will assume all people using wheelchairs are also evil" ... where's the critical thinking? The media literacy?
That said, we know for a fact other wheelchair rep is coming. Ruth Madeley has been cast in a wheelchair-using role, and Bernard Cribbins was using a wheelchair in BTS pictures, although I don't think we know if that was just for him out of character or if it will also impact Wilf. I agree with your point, here, that this thus makes removing Davros' "wheelchair" unnecessary.
Honestly, there isn't a lot of mobility aid representation on tv period, I'd happily take more no matter the context. Be they good people, bad people, morally grey individuals... it's all good in my book.
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The thing I hate about the Davros change is the fact that originally, Davros was the Dalek God essentially - he made them in his own image. His prosthetic eye became the Dalek eyestalk, his crippled hand became their plunger, his lack of mobility became their lack of mobility. It is as though he limited his creations so that they were not 'better' than him.
Now, his accident leads to him copying his creations rather than them being made in his image... It takes away from his character.
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Personally, my issue with this whole debacle is how badly RTD is coming across on social media.
Whatās troubling me, given how excited I was as a lifelong (40 years +) fan of the show for his return is RTDās attitude to anyone attempting to discuss this.
I'm genuinely shocked at some of the petty replies to fans he's making on social media.
Given how great he is at PR and marketing usually.
Most surprising was that he replied "oh poor baby šā
In response to a post that was literally from a child who was saying he didn't like that Davros had changed.
The profile photos of the commenter were clearly a lad of about 13/14.
That is unacceptable in so many ways.
Can you imagine what it must be like for a kid to receive that from a famous adult associated with their favourite TV show?
That's like me writing to Tom Baker when I was little saying I was sad he wasn't The Doctor anymore and getting the single word reply back "Tough"
Which is another thing RTD has said, admittedly not to a child.
To be completely fair, some of his comments are towards people who are being deliberately offensive or making personal attacks themselves.
Which on the one hand is ok, but on the otherā¦I would have thought RTD was above this. Donāt feed the trolls etc
But it seems heās not distinguishing between the āanti-wokeā whingers and actual fans saying they donāt like what heās done to a much loved character.
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I think introducing positive disabled representation is the best way to counteract historical potentially problematic representation.
I don't see Davros as problematic (as an aging white Brit like RTD). He is a half dalek man. That's the point. He is trying to find a "war wheelchair" for his race. By that metric, all Daleks are as problematic. The disability isnt a tacked on trope, but integral to the character. It also makes him much more cool and badass than a generic Marcus Scarman clone in a N4z1 lite costume.
We all grew up as Dr Who fans and became progressives because of the messages in there. Feels like baby and bath water to me.
Ultimately, just don't use Davros if you feel uncomfortable with him.
Other than RTD's own Lumik(?) and Max Capricorn and the Unbreakable guy, who else is there ? So far RTD is responsible for 50% of the examples I can think of!
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I feel like if it was any other character then Davies would have a better point. But Davros is a character that represents war in how he has both suffered and also caused suffering to others. His childhood trauma, scarring and disability are all parts of his backstory that make his story more compelling than just being born evil.
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As long as its not portrayed that the disability made him evil out of frustration anger or whatever, I don't understand why a disabled person shouldn't be able to be a villain?
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The way that I took RTD saying that this was "the image of davros" was more so him saying that it was the mental image. Essentially using the opportunity to establish that it was not the disability that made him evil but was just sorta who he always was
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As someone who is blind myself, I can understand changing Davros in the context of the special, where it is about raising money for children, many having disabilities. But making a change like this for something more permanent would be a bad idea. In particular with Davros, him being disabled and in the chair was not made him evil and insane, and he still had done much despite everything that has happened to him. The design was just that, a design to show that Davros was very much Dalek-like himself. Him being disabled doesn't really play into the narative that much, and if it does, it is really having to do with his life support systems.
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