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I try to outline his presuppositions which I disagree with and also discuss his psychological framework which I believe to be adolescent in nature. I also juxtapose Irvin Yalom's autobiography "Becoming Myself" just for good measure:)
Anyway, read up Camus' novels, he is nevertheless a brilliant writer.
About Camus:
Albert Camus was a French philosopher, author, and journalist, known for his existentialist works and contributions to literature. Born in 1913 in Algeria. He is best known for his novels such as "The Stranger" (1942) and "The Plague" (1947), as well as his philosophical essays like "The Myth of Sisyphus" (1942), where he explored themes of absurdity, the meaning of life, and the human condition. Camus rejected the label of existentialist, preferring to be known as an absurdist, as he believed that life's lack of inherent meaning led to an inherent absurdity. Despite this, his works often delve into themes of morality, justice, and the search for meaning in an indifferent universe.
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This feels like a poor interpretation of Camus. To say that absurdism is the absence of responsibility is untrue. You can find meaning in raising children and holding positions you find meaningful. Maybe your job is very meaningful to you, going in and working hard every day. When you say itâs the idea of egotistical teens, it seems youâre projecting - to say that itâs more meaningful to think beyond yourself and do something that goes further than personal experience is the egotistical view. You believe that you can âlive onâ past your death by changing something in your lifetime. You ask âwhat of experiences once you die? Theyâre only sentences on a pageâ. Thatâs correct - we die, and itâs all gone. Stop worrying about what your life will mean once youâre gone and just do things because theyâre personally fulfilling to you. Donât delude yourself into thinking that your life will only have meaning if you do something that is great even after you die, or youâll never feel accomplished or satisfied. With all due respect, this feels like a scared ego desperate for meaning. Go re read Camus
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Not many are remembered as famous writers, politicians, artists, etc. we still have to find how to find a meaning for living in a world that couldnât care less about us.
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This video seems like it was meant to be a rejection of absurdism, but mostly just acts as a rejection of "popsurdism", which may be better described as agency-negating hedonism.
Absurdism as Camus wrote about in more idealistic work like The Plague, has a strong emphasis on agency maximization and meaning creation when offered nothing by the world. In this way, Camus argues that Don Juan is creating meaning for himself, not simply indulging in whatever pleasures are available.
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Maybe it's all our past experiences, beliefs, traumas, dreams, that come together at some point and whisper kindly to your ear why you are here.
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One must imagine sisyphus schizophrenic,
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For the last couple months I've been thinking that, in order to deal with the feeling of emptiness, one interesting approach is to try to first accept the emptiness, and then try to make peace with the feeling, make peace with the emptiness as it is. Of course, it doesn't mean that one should stop at that level and detach completely from the world and from responsibilities, stop completely from acting on the world.
I mean more in a ""psychological sense"". The feeling of emptiness can be with us rather consciously perceived, or acting subconsciously. For example, when a person tries to escape from the emptiness by searching for a purpose, like a religion, serving a nation, art, etc... I imagine that it is possible that, altought the person has consciously dealt with the emptiness by doing that, subconsciously, devoting your life to one great long ambition is a way to try to subconsciously run from the feeling of emptiness, not making peace with it, like not accepting the death of someone, which may give more short-term happiness, but also more long-term suffering, depending on the person.
maybe Camus was trying express that?
(I'm not a psychologist neither a psychologist student, so what I'm saying is based more on experience and observation of people, not claiming to be on the right here, just a opinion)
Also, Cool video man, hope your channel grows more!
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I do get where you're coming from, but as you said yourself in the last minute of this video, Camus wrestled with the question of meaning up until his very death. Camus did not dislike responsibility or obligation per se, since his most mature and often neglected work, The Rebel, basically showed us a more mature version of Camus' thoughts. In The Rebel, Camus criticized absolute negation (as exemplified by The Marquis de Sade), arguing that a life driven by hedonism should not be taken. Moreover, Camus (although this contradicts his main thesis in Sisyphus) argued for an obligation to respect the lives of others and to take responsibility for one another, since a man or woman who doesn't care for others tends to fall into absolute nihilism and will use ideology (Camus uses the term philosophy) to convince themselves that trampling on the rights of others is justifiable. Camus knows the flaws of his logic, and that makes him an author worth reading. After all those arguments in Sisyphus, Camus wanted to believe in transcendental values to respect the rights of human beings.
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Well, looking at this comment section I think I can add mo moređ
Thanks for the debate anyways, I liked the claim that there is something that transcends our experiences (like family, work, etc...) and that thing would give life meaning.
I'm not totally on board with it, but I'd appreciate it if you could talk more about it
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The most Camusian dudes I know are also completely stuck in adolescence. You're onto something.
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You haven't read Camus, my friend. You've skimmed it at best :)
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i dont know much about his life nor how he came to such conclusions
but maybe he considered responsibility also a part of this meaningless too.
and also maybe considered that the questions are more interesting than the answers
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I think you are right and wrong about Camus' absurdism.
You are right that absurdism has in some way, become a shallow rejection of meaning for many people. Through the immense success it has found on social media it has kind of become hyperreal and transformed into a chauvinistic resenting of meaning. This resenting would argue that a 90 year old accomplished psychologist never had no meaning to his existence.
BUT you are wrong about absurdism having a general abolishment of meaning at its core.
I think absurdism is only about letting go of the search for meaning to start the creation of meaning.
It's about the question if we should kill ourselves when we inevitably fail to find meaning. No, we should not, it says, because we create meaning through our toiling away at existence. We are the absurd hero who says YES!
Because No is suicide and suicide is the only way to never create meaning.
So this absurdism would argue that the 90 years of this mans life where the one thing that gave meaning to itself by refusing to not exist.
Maybe I am spinning some hot Camus fan fiction here but I truly believe him to have been for meaning what Nietzsche was for morality (just better looking and probably not horrible to be around).
Does anyone wanna rebel against my arguments?
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Phony or not, Camus is sexier than entire ROOMS full of philosophy majors.
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Adolescents are more burdened with meaning than older adults
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Just calling something âadolescentâ isnât an argument against it. 1/3 of your video is built on name calling.
Weak video. Thumb down.
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Augustus, You are my favorite philosopher, i hope you keep uploading,
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you think contemplation of suicide only concerns the adolescent? Here's some stats: In 2022, the highest suicide rates for males occurred in those aged 85 and over and those aged 45â49 (32.7 and 32.6 deaths per 100,000 population, respectively).
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This is more of a critique of the popular interpretation of camus rather than camus himself. Sensationalist philosophy (idk how else to describe it srry)
I always waste so much time writing long comments on random videos like these, I hate myself
If such an obvious critique was valid, camus would have found it himself a long time ago. All philosophers are actually quite reasonable if you really get to understand them. Even Hobbesâ ridiculous philosophy (bad even for his time) was based on a pretty understandable misconception of people only pursuing pleasure.
Absurdism is not living for livingâs sake, I donât understand what your argument is. Living for livingâs sake is completely impossible on the face of it
I donât think meaning appears like that, for example the minimum wage worker stuck in debt will never have the time to acknowledge any form of meaning.
Camus was never a âuniverse big and we smallâ r*dditor. He was all about embracing the small things, the community around you, the everyday. Personal interpretation: He tells us to embrace the everyday despite its mundanity and restrictive nature (see Dialectic of Enlightenment)
A critique of the video itself: too many words, especially the intro can be heavily simplified. Or at least I donât get the artistic intention in so many words. The style also declares that the video is meant to be intimate, yet itâs way too short, especially when talking about absurdism. Contributes to the melting pot of social media philosophy, a shallow intimacy. Though this is a rare case where I believe you actually are trying to create art unlike people who explore philosophy for its own sake (e.g. âphilosophy is the search for meaning.â This is not what modern philosophy intends to do. Such a shallow statement is an insult to the entire development of philosophy beyond the enlightenment).
Iâm not saying this video is bad. The potential of this video to be amazing blinds me to the fact that itâs already decent.
Camus is nietzschean in the sense that he wrote so that others can write, and I think a critique of his philosophy must come from that pov. That he is not trying to establish his absurdism, but yours. People think of philosophy as a means to an end far too often, they expect to be enlightened once theyâve read mythe de sisyphe.
And then they go on tw*tter to talk about how they will rebel through life or something when they discover that Camusâ arguments are far more complex than an inspirational quote.
For a weird reason, I see comparisons between interpretations of george orwell to ideas like absurdism. Complex ideas are always misinterpreted on social media, for camus he was simplified into âsearching for meaningâ (aka an inspirational quote), for orwell he was simplified (more like propagandized) into âbig gorbament grrrrâ and âdestory all the commies!!!!â. Iâm sure there are far better examples of simplifications on social media, but this is what came to my head
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@augustusphilosophy
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Hey! I would like to thank you all for the critique in regards to this video. It helps tremendously with my writing and thinking. However, I would like to provide a few comments: Firstly, I realize now that I did not properly narrow down the question I was exploring. My main focus when writing this video was the question of meaning and the quest to argue FOR meaning and its existence. As a tool to explore and juxtapose this topic, I chose absurdism. Secondly, in regard to the âadolescent philosophyâ conclussion, I did not explain my thinking properly. It was not meant to belittle or degrade Camus, rather I wanted to bring into attention the psychological framework (or traits) that I feel influenced Camusâ thinking. My background is in psychology but I realize now that I spent almost no time explaining or rationalizing my intuitive conclussions. All in all, I hope this comment clears up some of the issues. Mainly, in the future I will try to allow myself more time for the writing of such a topic, especially if I am trying to critique a great thinker. In any case, please keep the critique and observations coming. They are all read and thought about:)
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