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The Front Line of Parapsychology: Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogue 49
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The evidence for psi is dismissed by sceptics with increasingly dogmatic assertions. But that's no surprise because the data in support of phenomena from telepathy to pre-sentience is now openly discussed in leading science journals. The real question, at the forefront of research, is how these experiences can best be understood? In this episode of The Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon discuss various possibilities. They draw on the proposals aired at a recent seminar attended by the leading theorists, including Rupert himself. They explore the ideas of practising physicists and biologists working the area, and move onto questions from the nature of time and consciousness to the philosophy of A.N. Whitehead.


Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.
www.sheldrake.org/

Dr Mark Vernon is a writer and psychotherapist. He contributes to programmes on the radio, writes and reviews for newspapers and magazines, gives talks and podcasts. His books have covered themes including friendship and God, ancient Greek philosophy and wellbeing. His new book, out August 2019, is A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling and the Evolution of Consciousness. He has a PhD in ancient Greek philosophy, and other degrees in physics and in theology, and works as a psychotherapist in private practice. He used to be an Anglican priest.
www.markvernon.com/

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@dertiger1

4 years ago

About the article in the skeptic inquirer. Dogmatic, unscientific, arrogant. And what is more scary is how much authority such articles have. More scientists need to come out and not be afraid to take sides.

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@patricksee10

3 years ago

Mark’s comments about time are worth thinking about. Well done Mark and Rupert

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@leslietaylor5003

4 years ago

These dialogues are fascinating! Here Vernon mentions precognitive dreams associated with, for example, plane crashes. He suggests that the precognition could be of one's own personal experience associated with an event; as in precognating not the actual crash, but their viewing the reports on TV after the crash. I knew an attorney who had just such an experience involving the Chicago O'Hare passenger plane crash in 1979. This experience opened his mind considerably to the possibility of ESP, precognition, etc. I've had on occasion experienced precognition, or psychic knowledge, and in reviewing the incidents I wondered if my own later involvement in the event or with the person was the source of the future, or psychic, information.

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@ulicadluga

4 years ago

Let me throw Wittgenstein into the equation - especially because I cannot grasp the phenomenological relationships of his ideas. " Whereof one cannot speak thereof one must be silent". The artist speaks through depiction or description of an alternative reality. Therefore depiction, storytelling and memory take the place of windows into past, present, future and parallel realities (universes, if you will). Therefore a surrealist universe exists and all good, bad or indifferent situations are accessible in our creative mind and do indeed exist. And a universe of mentally interconnected consciousness exists and we are part of it.

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@RickDelmonico

4 years ago

We are not the masters of our own destiny, we are riding a wave, a wave of possibility but also constraints. Make the best choices you can, each moment prepares you for the next.

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@RSEFX

4 years ago

What a great phrase "ontological prior-commitment"! I'll have to remember that. Thanks, Vernon!

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@tonysplace8009

4 years ago

Fabulous presentation! Keep following the path of light and you will find the answer and more questions ad infinitum...

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@Gkuljian

4 years ago

I'm grateful to have been included in this talk. Fascinating stuff. I've been a skeptic, but am carefully opening my mind.

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@professormaxtrinity

4 years ago

While i don't claim it to be the main mechanism of conscious experience, I would argue that the key to opening research up further lies in the nature of the characteristics and capacities of focus. More specifically, the capacity to focus attention. Focus of attention cannot be located, measured or detected with instruments and yet none of those activities can be accomplished without the capacity to personally focus attention. Focus of attention is the interface between various activities of consciousness. We experience our personal focus of attention as the direct interface between our physical senses and our interpretations of them, it's the interface between our cognitive capacities and abstract symbols, between our ideals and the feelings generated by them and so on. Interfacing is not a noun, it's a verb. The dominant characteristic of interfacing is that it's reciprocating in nature. The interface is simultaneously acting as the exchange event for however many references are engaging it. If I and my daughter are using a search engine at the same time then, the search engine O.S. is interfacing with our cognitive paths simultaneously. Thus my attention, my daughters attention and the attending operating system are engaged in simultaneous exchange events with the search engine reciprocating both mine and my daughters attention. This capacity can accommodate simple and complex relationships. The reciprocal characteristic is absolutely key here. In the example of the mothers milk letting down when her baby cries, miles away, if we use focus of attention as the mechanism for the psychic communication then, the pathways become more evident. The pathway for further discovery lies along the more in depth probing of the focus of attention, it's nature, characteristics and modalities. We need to be studying focus of attention as a mechanism. Back to the crying baby. A bit of the mothers attention is always on her child, whether she's consciously acknowledging it or not. This bit of attention ( I call it a domain of attention) is focused on the child continuously. This line of attention is unbroken. Since this domain of focus is the interface between the mom and her child , that would demonstrate that the child is reciprocating. The child is feeling, knowing and communicating with the mom through this focus and vice versa. If you accept this model it's easy to postulate that the mom is receiving communication through the bit of her personal focus of attention that is continuously on the child. This would also presume that the baby shares that specific domain or bit of attention and has direct access to it via it's own personal focus. We take our ability to focus for granted. We concentrate, shift, diffuse and rest our focus of attention at will and whim and never even stop to focus on our focussing. Anywho, there's alot of exploration yet to be done both personally and in general. It's my current area of personal research and spiritual questing. Something to think about.

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@clarekuehn4372

4 years ago

Dr. Rupert: This is great! Hey, Dr Rupert, would you go on Dr Jeffrey Mishlove's "New Thinking Allowed" show? You would be perfect, and would have, partly, a new audience!

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@clarekuehn4372

4 years ago

Dr Vernon: some presentiments are more about what will be on TV or the news, but some seem to be as though the person is there at the event in the future.

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@RSEFX

4 years ago

The across-the-board refutation of ANY validity to "psi" phenomena points up a very possible fear the orthodoxy may have to the possibility that one more "x" may need to be added into so many equations.

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@jessieessex

4 years ago

26:20 this recognition of presentment is how to understand astrological events.

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@lancelotdufrane

4 years ago

This kind of closed-minded, limited thinking, gets us Nowhere!.... it surprises me that so called educated individuals could state such things! As if we could EVER know, ... everything!? Thank goodness for you, Mr Sheldrake!... I hope you never stop pushing the ridiculous boundaries... the un provable, for me is the most interesting..The Wonder of the human experience.

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@RickDelmonico

4 years ago

The properties of spacetime are constructed from the action inside it.

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@Newtube_Channel

4 years ago

Many interesting theories about parapsychology. Our understanding of the world is steeped in hard, physical observations of things that revolve around the five human senses. We may never know the answers to the really fundamental questions. At the very least understanding the true nature of nature is still many, many centuries away. Engineering a science is frankly quite difficult work. Since the renaissance, our understanding of many things still seem quite basic - indeed much is overworked and superficial. Five centuries is a long time and a fair amount of work has been put into all the sciences but there's always the nagging question of its outright accuracy. There's definitely many problems and issues beyond the subject matter alone.

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@marinusvisser1338

4 years ago

Science always need open mind

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