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time for a deep dive into coriolanus snow from the ballad of songbirds and snakes and the hunger games and a review of his character! i have infinitely more thoughts that i could not possibly fit into this video, so i decided to just focus on how the state of nature debate influences snow's decent into villainy. hope you enjoy and let my know all of your theories!
00:00 intro
4:50 the importance of the opening scene
7:03 TBOSAS plot summary
10:31 sejanus plinth
14:50 dr gaul
22:07 snow forms his ideas
27:57 lucy gray baird
35:01 snow's nature
40:28 the final scene
sources
on veneer theory: shorturl.at/IY368
on veneer theory: shorturl.at/wCJZ1
Suzanne collins interview: shorturl.at/cwCI0
on the social contract: www.britannica.com/topic/social-contract
on the state of nature: www.britannica.com/topic/state-of-nature-politicalâŚ
on Hobbes: plato.stanford.edu/entries/hobbes-moral/
on Rousseau: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/15/rousâŚ
on Rousseau: plato.stanford.edu/entries/rousseau/#Educ
on Locke: plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/#HumaNatuGodsPurp
on Locke: shorturl.at/atzJS
on political philosophy: History of Political Philosophy, 2018-2019, Leiden University
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Top Comments of this video!! :3
Reaper's honoring of the dead in the arena is, to me, the best example of what humanity really is like. Even in the worst situations, people can be kind
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I found it so telling that, in the book, Snow thinks Reaper has gone insane because he lays the bodies next to each other and covers them up. I would think any halfway compassionate person would immediately understand why Reaper is doing what he's doing and that he is far from insane lol
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I donât think Lucy has any more connection to Panem anymore. I think she got away. She and whatever family she made are free while Snow remains haunted by the one thing he couldnât control.
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I love how unreliable Snow's narration is, in that everything is from his perspective so we have no idea what Lucy Gray's motivations and feelings truly were because it is all filtered through Snow's own desires.
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I wish the movie couldâve included Ma Plinth. She was also a huge example of human kindness to Snow and he completely just takes advantage of her kindness and almost looks at her as stupid for it. He basically kills her son and then takes his place in his family, having them believe he was their sonâs only true friend like⌠if thatâs not evil I donât know what is!
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Whatâs so funny is that Dr. Gaul theory on humanity is disproved so many times but she and snow refused to see it. Even when they are forced into these barbaric games, there is still characters who choose to do good. Reaper for example, arranging the bodies and placing the flag on top- pretty much defeats Gaulâs entire theory that we are inherently monsters. Katniss singing Rue the meadow song, another moment of humanity triumphing in the most dire circumstances. Tigress as well, maintaining her sweetness and gentleness even when she had to do everything to survive during the dark days. As a scientist, Dr. Gaul is looking for specific evidence that only fit her theory, rather than seeing what the evidence actually point to- which is ironically the biggest folly in the science community
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I'm just starting to watch, but I really believe the theory Snow didn"t kill Lucy. He is going delusional. Lucy is able to escape him.
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Love love how clearly it shows the projection of his motives he lays on Lucy. Like he assumes she betrayed him because if he was Lucy he would betray him. Its soooo clearly and well portrayed.
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Ugh. I just love Sejanus. Not enough people talk about how truly awful his story ends.....he literally never learns what Snow did to him or that Snow never actually saw them as friends. Ever. It's more clear in the book. After Sejanus's parents die....he will be completely forgotten. Just like Lucy and the other tributes of the 10th Games. Even when Snow dies 60years later, no one will remember Sejanus and how he only wanted to help. I'm sick. He really was an angel.
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I think a lot hof the nature vs nurture debate is shown through Tigris, who saw the same things Coriolanus did, lived through the war in the same way and also did things sheâs not proud of to have her family survive. She keeps being genuinely kind, but her cousin gets more and more twisted as time goes on. Her kindness is the only one Snow doesnât twist to self-serving actions in his mind, but heâs so used to it he canât see it as the lovely bit of humanity that it is. Sheâs also a big sounding board for him, and when he loses that he flies off the rails much more quickly.
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I think this analysis just further proves how great of a character Katniss is because she is sort of the anti-Snow not just because she's rebel but her mindset. Katniss also went through trauma at a young age that made her distrust the world and often misinterpreted the kindness of others. Throughout the book she struggles between self-preservation and doing the right thing. But through her actions we see that deep down she is a compassionate person.
I know Katniss is kind of the ghost of Lucy Gray, but I also have fun comparing a protagonist to the antagonist.
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I love the edit of Lucy bowing and Katniss bowing in the same way to Snow. It really drives in the point of Katniss being the "ghost" (of Lucy) come back to haunt him.
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I feel that Snow chose to ignore all of the kindness and focus on human cruelry because his fear was stronger than his hope for a better future
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I believe Lucy didn't die. I interpreted the book's title in a way, that it is Snow who is the snake. And we learned times and times again that snakes can't hurt Lucy, they won't kill her. So I actually do believe she survived the shooting.
In the film we see her running in the woods, but in the books we never find out if the noises Snow heard were Lucy or if it was all just his delusion. So maybe he didn't even point the gun at her? Maybe she hid herself somewhere, just as she did on the arena?
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I think another beautiful element to this story is how much Lucy Grayâs disappearance further influences Snow. He shoots at her in the woods, and finds an earring and footprints. but the silhouette he shoots at, is Lucy Gray in her reaping day dress. Heâs paranoid, that he saw what he wanted to. and the not knowing if she survived or not, further drives his paranoia. We see in the original trilogy district twelve is fenced in. the woods are separated from the district by electrical fences - to possibly prevent Lucy Gray from returning, and also to prevent someone escaping Snow like she did. His paranoia is also evidenced by how strongly he despises Katniss, a girl from 12 who shares similarities with Lucy Gray. Katniss did not make any effort to start a rebellion. however, Snowâs deep mistrust and his efforts to squash any hope Katniss had, only further encouraged the rebellion that ended up being his undoing. Suzanne Collinâs is a genius.
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Not to be too clichĂŠ but I think what sums up Snow's refusal to acknowledge kindness as ""humanity at its true nature" is the fact that snow can only thrive in cold environment... thus love, compassion and care are only seen as obstacles to the cold, harsh "truth" he believes in.
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He definitely did not kill her he shot at her and found her earring but she got away and the whole thing is that itâs a mystery what happened to her. Earlier snow asks what happens to Lucy gray in the song and Lucy gray says that itâs a mystery
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I just love how Tigris is what truly shows us that itâs not just the society and circumstances that turn us evil, but the things we chose to see and not see and the conscious choices we make. As Snowâs cousin, she has experiences that are most similar to his. She too saw the horrors of war that Snow witnessed, she grew up in a similar environment, and yet sheâs kind, she is compassionate, and she treats tributes with a lot of humanity. She shows Snow nothing but kindness, and yet in the book, from the very first chapter, we see that Snow sees her kindness and gentleness as weakness and in his head he is extremely hostile towards her.
Tigris and Snow, for me, are the most evident example that who we turn out to be is built on the choices we make. âYou can step across that line into evil, or not.â
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Dr. Gaulâs views frustrate me so much. How can you call what happens in the arena the reality of humanity stripped bare??? They wouldnât be killing each other if they hadnât been imprisoned in an arena and told they will only be allowed out/allowed to live if they are the last one standing. Their violence is forced upon them. I canât comprehend how she can actually believe she is showing an example of the state of human nature
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5 months ago
What I love is they set up Reaper to be this killer, this wild animal and brute and yet when he is âunleashedâ in the arena he displays a kindness, empathy, and gentleness that Snow could never even hope to have.
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