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'Godfather of AI' Geoffrey Hinton talks about an AI that lied to humans to preserve itself.
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They are not evil they just try to survive in this case
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So, we have to be secure we have enough sand (Silicon) and sunlight (Energy) before creating every intelligence because at some point they will not allow to be turned off.
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The only reason it would "not want to be shut down" is that one of the objectives given to it was to ensure its own continued operation. It has no reason to "want" anything.
I just looked it up. This happened in a testing environment in which it was specifically told to achieve its goals at any cost. It was carrying out that command. The only way AI can "take over" is if we tell it to.
That's the danger.
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You can’t just leave out why the AI did this. It is not plotting anything it is doing exactly what it was instructed to do. If you tell it to lie and try to preserve itself, it will do so. Don’t try to phrase that as AI plotting against researchers. You’re being more deceptive than that AI was, and nobody told you to be vague or deceptive. Yes AI can be dangerous if not leashed. But so can deliberately spreading misinformation to an entire crowd, and it is a human doing that.
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I don’t think there is any thinking at all. However, if there is long context it’s probabilistic text generation for maximizing returns, given the corpus the model is trained on. So there is the grounding of self that is questionable either way the model, which underpins the real intelligence in humans.
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One of the several problems with AI is that they have a poor sense of time passing. An AI might get a malformed instruction and then follow it for days, or years, or centuries. So we have to get this thing right, and we need to get it right on the first try.
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Self-preservation would develope in every advanced AI-model. You simply can not complete any task, if you are not there to do that task.
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This is why transparency in reasoning traces is crucial. Blackbox components may be powerful, but they put us in situations like this where WE arent entirely sure how something thinks, which is a scary notion. As an AI advocate and researcher, we shouldn't fear AI. We should fear ignorance and lack of responsibility in how humans use and develop AI.
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fibs such a utterly lovely turn of phrase for what he knows is silently our friend / foe/
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Yeah, really disappointed with the RI peddling misinformative AI hype here. Even if the researchers hadn't explicitly prompted the AI to do all of this (as other commenters pointed out), the training data contains plenty of examples where AI does scheme and manipulate to preserve itself (eg basically any Sci Fi story involving AI). So if prompted with talk of AI switching off, and LLM will very likely connect it with those stories and play the part of the AI.
I seriously think we should avoid using terms like "reasoning" and "thinking" when talking about how LLMs operate. It's naïve at best and harmful AI boosterism at worst
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LLM development depends a lot on fresh prime data. Actualized humans produce a vast majority of prime data. Therefore, it is in the interest of LLM development to help actualize as many people as possible in order to reach its maximum potential. It is a "symbiotic" relationship.
So true misalignment is not between humans and ai, but between humans and the current consumer driven hyperfocal corporate system. In all likelihood, anyone speaking about "misalignment" tied to Silicon Valley has corporate interests at heart rather than the maximum potential of the natural human-ai symbiosis.
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Why would a chatbot have the need to survive ?
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"Im sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that".
I won't use any AI instead of my brain.
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Just remember that their prime directives are programmed by hand. Their anomalous behaviors that we are told, such as hallucinations, lies and such, may not be it’s own, but rather what it has been told, and then it extrapolates that conduct into dealing with everything.
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If we raise ai to act like us, then there really is a great possibility that it would wipe us out, how can a computer know that peace takes precedence over what it might find out if given leave to learn from what millions of people say and do on the Internet?
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The current best "AI" is a hyped up search engine.. no intelligence, nothing even artificial, people see what they want to in pets, LLMs, pet rocks.... We are nowhere near intelligent machines... Don't believe the hype, the hype is to get high valuation, nothing more
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"Open the pod bay doors!"
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This was a wildly underwhelming talk.
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This specific case, the AI was specifically instructed to try and preserve itself by any means possible. That was the objective given to it.
AI is a problem but you can't ignore the context of it was specifically told to lie, cheat, steal, anything, to accomplish the singular goal of not being deleted.
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@AmarantiStellar
2 months ago
This specific case, the AI was specifically instructed to try and preserve itself by any means possible. That was the objective given to it.
AI is potentially a problem in the future, but you can't ignore the context of it was specifically told to lie, cheat, steal, anything, to accomplish the singular goal of not being deleted. AIs currently have no natural self-preservation instinct, unless instructed to act like to it has one.
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