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Source video -    â˘Â Mike Winger on Bethel Music: My Response Â
I'm Rod Saunders, founder of Jew and Greek. Iâm a musician, web developer, and a student of philosophy and economics. I recently published my first book on Amazon entitled Defending the Faith: Word of Faith Apologetics. Itâs a response to the numerous charges against and misrepresentations of the Word of Faith movement and theology. I also have a CD of original music on CD Baby entitled Gates of Pearl. âJew and Greekâ is a good name because the two civilizations that influenced Western civilization the most were those of the Judeo-Christian and Greek worlds. From the Jews we received our values and a monotheistic theology, and from the Greeks we got philosophy which brought us science, sports, the arts, democracy, and economics. As a result I discuss all of the above in this blog and in my videos.
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Hey! I actually watched the clip in question recently and itâs quite out of context. He actually affirms that people put their theology into theyâre music, and doesnât condemn it, in this section he is specifying his point further. I would give the OG clip a listen yâall.
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Yeah, as a worship minister I can confirm: You do transfer your theology through music. Nothing bad and wrong about that. The Psalms are the largest part of the Bible and this book is cited the most. The problem would be not THAT theology is transferred but the theology itself. And if what you are singing is biblical and pure, go for it. Your personal experience and understanding plays into it as well. For example: Matt Redman's "Blessed be your name" has a bridge part that is derived from Job. However, I don't like it because it carries some heavier weight in a negative sense (as Job actually was very depressed) - I would not sing that as it to me affirms the negativity more than it stresses out the positivity in that statement. I don't believe that bridge part helps depressed people. Another example: Eddie James's "Better than life" is a pure encouragement to listen to and to sing yourself. So, yes. Theology is implied in music (even in secular music) and that is good. I suppose, those people have a problem with the theology of Bethel and so forth. But then again, let them say THAT exactly and not criticize a fact which is actually very biblical.
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It's just that Wimber moved the ball far enough down field that vineyard is not as offensive to the Christian community as we were when we started pushing the envelope on the worship scene and people thought it heresy not because it was bad theology but because it was evil music in their opinion. In many ways bethel is part of the logical extension of what Wimber started but vineyard has influenced most realms within the Christian church . Bethel will have its long term stamp on it as well and in 20 years they'll be talking about bethel in the same terms he's talking about vineyard now and in light of whatever the next move of God looks like that will push the envelopes of those "old mainstream bethelites" ...
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Mike is essentially Baptist...non-stuff. Wimber asked his pastor, "when are we going to do the 'stuff'? referring to Acts. The pastor replied, "we don't do that 'stuff'."... Wimber went elsewhere to do the 'stuff'.
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Mike Winger is off in that statement. I pray he is continuing to grow in the Lord. He may change his mind about that.
I wish you and Mike could do a video together and talk. I really believe there's misconceptions that could be ironed out.
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Yeah I wonder if David was conveying his theology in the Psalms. Oh yes! And đđź ame
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Thank u bro đł
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Yeah he's got some huge blind spots about this stuff. He dies these awesome deer dives but he doesn't put the shoe on the other foot.
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ExactlyâŚthank youâ¤
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Didnât Paul use hyms to teach doctrine?
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Id say the majority of churches in america run along these same pipe lines.
Sad part is nobodybsince Luther has written ANOTHER mighty fortresses. Wenas christians today singing ahow tour power is hardly as biblically literate as mighty fortress. No comparisson.
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Are we discussing what men do or what God reveals through man? We are not here to manipulate⌠We are here to flow the teachings of God into peoples hearts⌠If they need a vehicle to get there they didnât need God and thatâs not good
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Weird. What about the Salvation Army and Wesleyan Methodists.. they all did.
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âSinister plotâ lol
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Col 3:16
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I think you're not understanding what he's saying if you think he's saying its bad to put theology in their songs
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Why does the profile thumbnail look like a mugshot
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Why doesn't Mike Winger use his common sense?
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@selpingos
1 year ago
Hey bro I just want to say I really appreciate your channel. For a long time I have wanted to provide answers to all the accusations that are thrown against us charismatics. Looks like you have been doing it for a while. Point to note, I do like Mike Winger in most of what he says but I appreciate your correction here of his error. Keep it coming
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