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This short is an excerpt from my "Music Theory Iceberg" video, which you can watch in full here:    • The Music Theory Iceberg Explained  

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@martineyles

1 year ago

Tchaikovsky played with this kind of thing. In the last movement of the sixth symphony, the melody and harmony lines alternate between the first and second violins. Also, in some of the horn lines (not sure which piece) he has horns do octave jumps in opposite directions, so the same notes an octave appart a both being played all the time.

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@divisix024

1 year ago

The proximity of the notes also contribute to the effect. If we take a melody countermelody pair with more leaps in them and alternate between the two lines to create two lines, it’s possible we won’t get the same effect as strongly.

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@MrAlexarctica

1 year ago

I always noticed this with Beatles harmonies. I would find myself singing half of John’s line and half of Paul’s, because the melody feels like it lies somewhere in between.

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@skirtonbear1

1 year ago

Excellent explanation! I’ve got to go get my headphones now and try it again.

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@mordy91

1 year ago

In this case you actually end up with two additional illusional melodies instead of just one. The one going up a fourth from c to f and down again and the one starting an octave above going down a fourth from an c to g and up again. Pretty cool!

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@Aussiefan12345678

1 year ago

Not sure i would say i heard a third melody, but i could definitely hear the intervals.

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@gavinschmidt8993

1 year ago

Me who’s deaf in one ear who’ll never get to hear this

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@calebruh_

1 year ago

First of all, this is pretty cool but even better is that I realized I had my headphones in mono because of this

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@ericleiter6179

1 year ago

This is a cool phenomenon...I often hear this happening when listening to Steve Reich and following the score...I always called them collateral melodies but it's the same as the Deutsche illusion...one interesting thing I noticed though, the melody on the right ear, sounds like it could be the answer, or consequent to the opening left ear melody, the call, or antecedent...really cool

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@charltonrowe4161

9 months ago

The combined part sounds very Gentle Giant.

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@fsinjin60

1 year ago

Look at Handel in Messiah. Between the voice parts he keeps swapping the melodic line making the listeners believe each Hallelujah is getting higher but really the soprano goes down in pitch to a harmony line while the tenor goes up in pitch on the melody, et c. A very similar illusion. And Handel shall reign for ever and ever

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@CroatoanKraka

1 year ago

This is my favorite thing in what I know about theory

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@c0nga

1 year ago

Jun Senoue (composer for the Sonic series) utilizes this trick a lot for his guitar-centric tracks, it’s really cool

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@mahmudulhassan3950

1 year ago

Thanks for not rickrolling on the 3rd melody

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@UnlimitedFlyers

1 year ago

This was delightful, educational, calming and entertaining. Thanks!

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@mr88cet

1 year ago

I bet it would still work fairly well if the timbres are different. The melodies would be “hocketed,” but I bet they’d still be comprehensible.

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@DJPastaYaY

1 year ago

This is so fascinating

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@Symphing12

11 months ago

I feel like this is what the Headphone options did in PokĂŠmon Yellow

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@tyjuarez

1 year ago

the main synth line of Woman In Chains by Tears For Fears has this effect for me.

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@althealligator1467

1 year ago

I've been thinking about this type of thing a lot. A melody isn't really an absolute "object" but rather something that is perceived; which means it is also possible not to perceive a melody that is theoretically there.

A melody is really the illusion of movement from one note to the next, which sometimes is not really an illusion when played on one instrument with glissandos, but that's not the case most of the time. But isn't it strange how we don't tend to really perceive a main melody if any melody at all when a guitar is strumming chords, when it is playing sequences of notes that could all be perceived as individual melodies? Well it seems specific things facilitate the illusion of melody:
- if the notes are played with similar timbre, i.e. on the same instrument.
- if the notes are close together. The more conjunct a melody is, the easier it is to perceive.
- if it stands out from the rest of the arrangement, using whatever parameter, volume, timbre, even its position in stereo, or just being the only melody really being played. You'll notice that the denser a contrapuntal texture, the more melodies it has at once, the more difficult it becomes to hear every single melody or perceive one as the main focus over all the others.
- if the listener is made to focus on a specific melody, maybe because it was an instruction given to them or because it's a recognizable motif.

But again, your perception of a melody is certainly not an absolute, and you can miss a melody entirely or even perceive a melody that wasn't intended but the composer/arranger. There are many instances where I'd always perceived something as an intrinsic part of a melody on certain recordings that it turns out was clearly not intended as one melody but different parts of the arrangement. This might be a poor example because it might have been intentional, but my whole life hearing this song https://youtu.be/GId0jXiTOWE?si=IshFiQ_rjvDonlVH , I'd never noticed that the melody in the chorus was actually a two part counterpoint between strings and brass until I listened to it in stereo one day.

Furthermore, if you try to focus on specific notes in the chords that a guitar is strumming, you can hear each individual melody. But when nothing is done to make any of these potential melodies stand out and you have so many of them, they tend to be perceived as harmony without melody, which is actually quite a useful tool.

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