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Yeah but these are Polynesian teens... the book was about British childern...
however i do believe that when stranded us humans work together to survive out of primal instincts
but thats not that the book is about i think its about the psychology of children without any guidance from adults and questioning morality
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Those weren't elementary school children and they weren't from the toxic environment of the UK or the US and probably grew up in a more community driven environment
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Or... they all kept quiet about the 7th guy
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Lord of the Flies was about groups of disparate kids of different ages, abilities, and religions with no survival skills and all the morality of a human being forged in the British school system.
This has nothing to do with that. They are not remotely comparable. At the least you could've used one of the many instances of a team or grouo getting stranded in a plane crash but then you'd have to acknowledge the repeated cases of cannibalism, which was not actually a feature in Lord of the Flies. Those kids just killed out of power hunger, not actual hunger.
Y'know like kids have killed other kids during escalated acts of "bullying" repeatedly, without being stranded on an island or deprived of adult supervision. I promise no one in the entire country of Korea thinks Lord of the Flies is even the worst of what children are capable of.
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Nope, culture has a lot to do with it. Polynesian people work together all the time and have had life skills to help. Take 15 boys from the 5 different boroughs of NY and murder will happen.
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So just because a group of Tongan boys didnât go crazy, that means that âthe Lord of the flies could never happen.â I hope youâre not studying English trying to get a degree because your logic is flawed and yet you pose your theory with such conviction.
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I went to an all boys school in England. It would absolutely happen.
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You start with an erroneous assumption. You present one as being equivalent to the other. One is a group of friends who get lost. The other is a group of English schoolboys subject to different social behaviors and class pressures in a group they are forced to be in.
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It was written by a head master of such a school after retirement, it was what he'd spent his life doing to these kids. It's the basis of the medical school model, when you are bullied until you become the bully. It ensures that graduates follow the what they are taught even long after they are unsupervised and even when it's completely not working.
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It really depends on the group, size, personality, and brute strength comparisons, if youâve got a few crazies that are stronger than most, the physically and or mentally weak will be inclined to follow them. From there it can quickly devolve. But with a smart, evenly matched group of likeminded or sensible people it can turn out great!
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I heard one of them broke his femur and the others nursed him back to health too. Thatâs a crazy break to recover from!
Iâve never read LOTF and donât plan on it, but I would devour a book about these boys story â¤
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I love this story! Its really wholesome and shows the importance if community! But its important to remember in LOTF the kids were rich UK socialites who had like a 72% chance of committing violence upon eachother anyway lol. Golding didnât think humanity was evil by nature necessarily. He believed the "social elite" werenât as civilized as they all claimed to be
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You are using an anecdote to prove a general statement - no can do!
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I feel like this is more of a Locke vs Hobbes conversation. Are humans inherently good or inherently evil? Both sides of the debate have valid backing and real life examples.
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It was a well written but deeply cynical and I think unrealistic book. Itâs sad reading these comments because people have become so negative about humanity. The truth is that humans tend to band together in emergency situations.
There is a very foolish and frankly cruel habit in modern education of teaching depressing and dispiriting stories like this to teenagers right when they are often most vulnerable to depression and anxiety. Teens need to be inspired and encouraged!
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That being said it's still a really great film...
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If you read the introduction in corruptible by Brian Klass where he told this exact story and another you would realize that when placed in the exact same situation humans will behave differently depending on who they are
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Keyword is "TEENAGE boys." The characters in Lord of the Flies are all EXTREMELY young.
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@DrawntoBooks
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Yes, this is obviously a more nuanced conversation than what I can cover in a one minute reel. I understand the circumstances are different in LOTF. But mostly the purpose of this reel was to talk about this story (which is incredible) and show a more positive view of humanity. I personally like to think itâs more likely that this is what arises in this type of situation, and that we would form community rather than conflict, but please, roast me in the comments đ
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