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Negative Energy from the Casimir Effect: Still a Mystery
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@RCAvhstape

6 months ago

I second those asking for a full-length video on this subject, please.

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@captain_context9991

4 months ago

I explained this in a shop the other day regarding why its nearly impossible to open one of those plastic shopping bags.

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@Gilotopia

6 months ago

This effect is a real pain when designing MEMS chips

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@Dr_Bobo137

3 weeks ago

That is very intriguing! And THANK YOU for saying “brings up the question,” not the ubiquitous but improper “begs the question”. As you know and apparently most others don’t, begging the question is a logical fallacy—petitio principii. It does NOT mean raises, brings up, or suggests the question. As an erstwhile logic professor, this is a savage goat-getter for me, as you can tell

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@iamchillydogg

6 months ago

Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves!

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@TerryBollinger

5 months ago

Hi Sabine! Break a piece of metal in a vacuum, then put the two pieces back together. They vacuum weld. If you get lucky in the shape of the break, the same van der Waals (atomic-scale charge nudging) and metallic bond (delocalized electrons) that hold the metal together internally reactivate across the narrow gap, pulling the pieces back together and making them a single piece again.

Given that these are the same forces that make lumps of metal or other materials possible in the first place, there is no need to make the vacuum the final source of the snap-back energy. It is only a return of the energy stored by breaking the metal in the first place.

The vacuum wave analysis idea was Bohr’s idea, not Casimir's. There was no need for it since the known internal bonding forces of the plates were already entirely sufficient to explain the attraction effect and, more importantly, to provide precise mathematical limits on how much energy could be stored.

Bohr’s far more idealized approach — idealized because, e.g., there is no such thing as a “perfect” plane in grainy atomic matter — unfortunately had the opposite effect. Instead of fully quantifying the forces and energy release in terms of the well-known bonding forces inside material objects, Bohr added a redundant hypothetical energy originating from “the vacuum.”

The fact that Bohr’s vacuum energy addition duplicates already well-known internal binding forces is a warning sign. Good old conservation of energy. It's still a great guiding principle!

The interesting piece is what you described: Why is vacuum energy between the two nearby plates negative?

Unfortunately, it's nothing more than a modeling error. Both metal pieces create Van der Waals and metallic bonding potentials close to their surfaces. If one incorrectly extends these near-surface bonding potentials to infinity, the energy potential between the surfaces necessarily goes negative when the bonds begin to reform.

Sabine, I am sorry, and since I'm nothing but a poor, bewildered programmer, I don't expect you to believe me. Nonetheless, for the record, there is no wiggle room for negative gravitational energy in any of this. Bohr did not realize that material objects have bonding fields with positive energy extending slightly beyond their boundaries. By incorrectly presuming a near-field energized vacuum to be a ”pure” vacuum, Bohr wound up with nothing more than an illusion of negative energy vacuums.

The actual energy drop when two plates approach closely is always smaller than the bonding potential of their near fields and thus always positive in terms of gravitational energy.

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@williambreedyk7861

6 months ago

Definitely a full length video required. Some are confusing this with the Van der Vaals force

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@kkupsky6321

5 months ago

The Kashmir effect is listening to Led Zeppelin in the desert. 🐪

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@albirtarsha5370

6 months ago

Okay, what? This requires a full-length video. If that doesn't fit into your video programming, then maybe PBS Spacetime should do it.

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@Spherical_Cow

6 months ago

I suspect the plates simply can't be too light, as in that case they would no longer effectively shield the space between them (i.e. they would become too translucent). The overall effective energy would be the volume-weighted average of the 'negative' space in between the plates, and the plates themselves - and would always come out positive.

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@debrainwasher

2 weeks ago

Sabine, in my university, we have investigated the effect in a static and dynamic manner. The most simple way ist to use low voltage MLCC (Multi Layer Ceramic Camacitor) or Tantal Capacitors and connect a OPAMP current amplifier (transimpedance circuit) to it. You will get a temperature independent 1/f-noise.

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@Casimir-t3i

5 months ago

What is the scientific consensus on using the negative energy in the Casimir effect as the negative energy required in the Alcubierre warp drive? A long time ago I was on a science message board and someone did the math (which was over my head...) and he determined that you'd have to have plates no larger than one atom thick. And then came along graphene and I've wondered ever since.

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@anonymusmuggle

6 months ago

I've heard many physicists argue that over all, there is no negative energy involved at all, because the "negative" value between the plates is only negative relative to the vacuum energy outside the plates. Maybe there's a strong argument that disproves this point, but maybe this negative energy value effectively just means that there's less vacuum energy between the plates than outside, without ever violating the positive-energy condition. Idk.

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@markrowland1366

6 months ago

On first hearing this I recall the very moment I was introduced to this. 2003 in New Scientist, a sunny day in Melbourn. I acepted the explination of twenty years ago. I am excited this is being thought through again. Thankyou.

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@materialsdan

6 months ago

I think I saw you have one of these arguments in person with Jacob 15ish years ago in California

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@unrealdevop

6 months ago

It's just a bug in the code.
If enough people would report it then maybe it will get fixed.

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@svetlicam

6 months ago

The potential energy arising from the combined electronegativity of the molecules in the materials can contribute to the overall interaction between the plates, leading to the observed attractive force in the Casimir effect.

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@lorenzobarbano

6 months ago

Can you do a full video on this?

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@billgardiner4858

1 day ago

In 2010 at the NSS isdc in Chicago, Dr. Fabrizio Pinto gave his presentation on his work on the Casimir Effect. It turns out it is simple Vander Waals attraction, as with all molecular based objects. It is as true for ships on a calm sea as it is for molecules in Saturn's rings

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@roflkartoffeI

2 weeks ago

the trick is to understand the universal trick of gradients. whenever a gradient is applied, forces can be observed. what you see in the casimir effect is the simple information (or therefore entropy) gradient within the given space.. the maximum amount of entropy (or potential and actualized energy) in one space differs to another and thus balancing takes place, which shows us the force (workload) happening there

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