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I felt so validated learning about PSE. Told so many people “I know vocab in ASL, but not any of the grammar” so knowing that what I do is a system is so comforting. I feel a lot more confident signing with others now.
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PSE can be really helpful depending on who you are communicating with. I know ASL and use the grammar structure with deaf family members, but one of my family members utilizes cochlear implants so she prefers to communicate with PSE when other hearing people are around because she utilizes auditory input in addition to sign. Takes some practice to switch back and forth, but a great tool!
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The one I get the most is PSE. It doesn’t make sense to me to have a whole motion or sign for small things like “the”, but I totally understand using the pre-existing signs in the same general word order, granted I don’t speak (or is it sign?) either and am not deaf
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What purpose could MSS possibly have??? I genuinely can't think of a reason for a system like that other than making more ASL puns
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Ooh I can't wait! I grew up using some SEE with my brother (he's severely autistic, we wanted it to match with spoken language which he was also using a tiny bit) but I want to learn ASL and find myself needing to shake conjugation habits etc lol. It helps though that I'm pretty intermediate now with Spanish and I like a lot of songs in French, so my brain is a bit flexible with different syntax systems. Eeee I can't wait to keep learning from your dives into sign linguistics!
Oh and YES that last system is awful lol dear god big yikes
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In the UK we have BSL (British Sign Language) and SSE (Sign Supported English) which uses BSL signs but follows a simplified English sentence structure. It is most commonly used for simultaneously signing and talking or to support a deaf person with lip reading. Similar to PSE, SSE drops the little words that aren't used in BSL (to, the, a, etc) but otherwise follows the sentence structure of English. It can be used to teach someone who grew up hearing and using English as their first language and later becomes deaf or has hearing loss to learn BSL signs, but if they find the grammar and sentence structure of BSL too difficult they may continue to use SSE as their preferred form of communication. There are both BSL and SSE interpreters in the UK.
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Whenever I get a deaf patient, I warn them that although I understand ASL pretty good, Im better at signing PSE. Luckily most of my patients Ive had that are HOH lost their hearing later in life n tend to use PSE anyways (: (I still use an interpreter for anything related to their medical treatment bc Im not fluent but for casual conversations I ask them if theyd be comfortable signing with me which they're usually very happy to have staff they can just chat with)
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My spouse and I can communicate in sign, but we keep using English grammar. This whole time we've been telling people "we're just bad at ASL" but more accurately we're using PSE. There's a term for it! Thanks for this lesson, very cool and can't wait to learn more!
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My ASL Teacher told us we were going to learn PSE first, before she was going to teach us the grammar once we got familiarized with the signs! Still learning, it’s going pretty well! :)
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We used MCE with our already existing ASL when teaching my non-verbal son to read.
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Whoa. I did NOT know that all of that existed, besides ASL.😅😅😅😅 Thank you for letting us know, honestly. Everyday learning someth
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Yaaaass!!! Needed content here. 🙌🏻🙌🏻 Also MSS can suck
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This is so intresting! I love linguistics and find stuff like this super cool!
Totally unrelated, but I have been wondering for some time, how deaf people learn to spell and read since alphabets work by writing individual sounds.
I would love to know more about the process of learning to read, and how different types of writing systems effect that (i imagine learning a logograph is easier than say an abjad)
If anyone knows something about this please share!
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Wow! PSE is so validating- I fear I will mess up grammar off the bat and its good to know (most) people will understand me if I mix ASL with PSE when I don't know the correct syntax
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I actually went to college and took ASL classes in Amarillo, Tx. I think it’s one of the only places where MSS is taught to Deaf Kids. It’s Bad. It’s completely different from ASL so normal ASL interpreters can’t really work with them and there’s only a few interpreters who know MSS.
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Pidgin Is really common for learners or hearing people to adopt as they're typically more used to english. Though I have an oddity where I learned asl grammar by learning japanese Grammar. As they use the same base grammar structure!
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I think I tend to mix ASL and PSE, tbh. Makes sense to, imo. Like how Spanglish speakers mix to whatever works better in the moment.
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I’ve heard of all of these except MSS and I can definitely see why
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This is so cool! I’m HOH and would like to better integrate myself into the community, so this was really neat to learn! Gonna find some classes soon!
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@Paris.GlassMenagerie
1 month ago
Forgot to add!! MSS stands for Morphemic Sign System which is honestly the biggest misnomer ever and if you wanna hear more stay tuned for Monday’s video essay 👀🫶
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