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The service loop is required by the national guild of service guys. Failure to comply could result in verbal abuse.
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It's absolutely right that the NM cable has to be stapled within 12 inches of the box if the box has an internal cable clamp in the box (such as a 2 gang, 3 gang ect) but on a single gang non metallic box ( that doesn't have a cable clamp built in) it shall be stapled no more than 8 inches away from the box. Love your videos by the way!! Very informative.
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The comparison of the requirements for the distance to the cable support and the max length between the support and the box allows for significant slack, just not large lengths.
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Very frustrating when working on older homes with 3 inches of wire in the box and no service loop.
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Not code but we often do it especially with coax, cat 5 or telephone the drunk drywallers often wreck our stuff
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This way of leaving loops would be a lot of headaches on interior walls that are insulated. Those loops would end up being pushed past the face of the studs and then pinched between the drywall and studs.
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That zigzag is way better than the loop. The loop makes a twist in the wire, making it harder to pull into the box.
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Service loops are a total waste of money, wasting several hundred
feet of cable in the average house. If the boxes are made up correctly the conductors should be safe from a roto-zip.
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A few slack inches between the box and the staple makes sense but an extra foot is something that will get used once in about 5 million times. If the box is made up correctly and neatly pushed in the back of the box, it's rare for the wires to get damaged by drywallers.
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never heard of Service loops when I worked in the trade in the 70s 80s and 90s working in Homes never done. The boss would have a fit
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Kept wondering why when I replaced wiring in old houses all the wires had a loop on them. Guess they put them in for the extra slack.
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Thanks for the logistics!! I’m an apprentice and I can’t help but think how wasteful it is. Maybe when the wires get short just add a pigtail. If they are that short you’ve been tampering too much with these devices in that box. I used to own a business so from a business perspective I’d think the cost of service loops would add up for a business owner. A business is gonna want to save money not throw it away just for the potential someone might need a bit of extra wire. Maybe a tiny bit of extra wire up there is fine, but the videos I see are adding a HUGE loop!
You answered my question on the staple part though, and how much wire can be in that service loop. My question was why they can have a whole freaking service loop unsupported. Before going into that first staple. Now I know you only get 18” before it hits that first staple near the box. Great video👍
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Had the funny thought that of someone using up all the service loop trimming the ends and then deciding they'd have to pull a whole new run to restore the service loop.
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Code in TN is stapled within 6 inch’s of any penetration or outlet box
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Hmm. I know about the staple rule, but I either missed the part about max loop or its new rule. Now I want to dust off some of my old code books and compare.
Personally I think it’s sloppy and will never leave a loop, but that’s just me.
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Good report.
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Sounds like an excellent idea. I want them installed.
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I think the code requires a staple within 4" of the box, so the service loop has to be after that. Right?
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I have an idea. Built in lever connectors in gang boxes, just like outlets now come with their own lever connectors. No need for service loops anymore.
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@narlycharley
6 months ago
I just did a job for a customer where I needed to add an additional switch. They installing electrician back in the 90's put service loops in place and it was SO nice to have the slack available.
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